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mal

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#1436 15 Apr 2020 at 7.17pm

In reply to Post #1432
You're putting words in my mouth to suit your argument there BB - go back and have a look at what I actually posted which was trying to focus on the positive message in the video.

You seem to be spoiling for a fight - and I've been daft enough to take the bait today.

We're not going to agree on this because our basic philosophy is different. I'd look to people's need for relocation / refuge before a 'what's in it for me' approach. I would hope that a successful country would seek to share that good fortune with others rather than bask in the dubious glory of years of colonisation and exploitation. Some people might want to 'Make America / Britain great again' by reverting to the 'good old days' - but those days were not good for a lot of people who were climbed over in the pursuit of being 'great'. I'd rather share than hoard, rather give someone a leg up than build another layer on a wall...

It might not be what Boris or Trump would do, but that makes me even more certain it's the right thing...

and then you start slipping in phrases like 'our island' and 'letting them all in'...

it's become so much part of the daily discourse in this country that it's not even challenged (by most)

I think we've exhausted our own little spat now - and probably bored a load of people who want to discuss Coronavirus or alien phone masts...

Shall we call it a 'match abandoned' and let it be?

scozza

Posts: 13250

#1435 15 Apr 2020 at 7.13pm

In reply to Post #1434
Is that not the problem, the two extremes!

Maybe if we all meet in the middle one day and learned from both perspectives we may actually move forward. Dare I say it, peace and love man

ocelot

Posts: 1055

#1434 15 Apr 2020 at 7.08pm

In reply to Post #1432
I'm just pointing out that your wistful wish for world democracy is na�ve.
You have more chance of being struck by lightning.

scozza

Posts: 13250

#1433 15 Apr 2020 at 7.06pm

In reply to Post #1431
Bloody hell, does not sound good that mate, sounds like your over it, take it easy

Butterbean35

Posts: 764

#1432 15 Apr 2020 at 6.44pm

In reply to Post #1421
Hi Mal,

You were the one that said racists were complaining about foreigners taking their jobs and and wanting them to go back where they came from. And in that case, I suggested that they may more likely be labour supporters that were the racists you were referring to, because it's more likely that they were the one's who's jobs they were complaining of being taken.
In other words, you were the one that identified that racists were complaining about foreigners and I was trying to identify who they might be.
So, re immigration policy, if a country has a long waiting list of people wanting to enter and become a citizen, doesn't that country have the right to choose who they allow in on grounds of skills requirement or any other condition like language skills etc?
If it was decided that we had more than enough of the workers as shown in the video, are you suggesting that we let them all in anyway, even though there are no job vacancies for them?
Anyway, I would bet that, if we did have a requirement for those workers, the policy would be ammended to accommodate them. The government spoke about this flexibility in the case of seasonal farm workers.
If you were running a business and required extra staff, wouldn't you vet applicants to find ones that were suitable? If you required teachers at your school, wouldn't you employ only those with the appropriate qualifications? And before you start stating moral obligations, we can't accommodate the whole world, our island is crowded enough as it is, and just to remind you that our government is the only one in Europe that fully fulfills it's foreign aid commitment.

BB.

Edit
No way that approach could ever cause any harm is there?

Not if every county in the world was a democratic free society like ours. Norway, say, wouldn't be looking to invade Poland would it?

fishie

Posts: 1587

#1431 15 Apr 2020 at 6.40pm

In reply to Post #1429
i'm on the vulnerable lists i have no spleen, retired early at 55 so would be up for doing the picking now the summer is breaking through. The problem is i still have to isolate although I think i've had it. 6 days of total exhaustion in bed with hot sweats and a mild cough but no runny/blocked nose and a very mild sore throat. 2 and a half weeks of exhaustion after getting out of bed. Had 2 good days since and now looking to do something but cant!

Was it Flu or CV who knows?

I thought the government was going to organise a land Army to cover the crop season but I may be wrong

scozza

Posts: 13250

#1430 15 Apr 2020 at 6.21pm

In reply to Post #1423
I have a bottle of proper job on the side just out of the fridge, warming up a bit as I type

An inch left is not good, whisky gives me a proper banging head. I have a few single malts in the cupboard, try to just have one double with ice now and again

Tinhead

Posts: 13668

#1429 15 Apr 2020 at 6.19pm

In reply to Post #1427
They are advertising for pickers in Kent but you have to look very hard to find adverts as the farmers don't want the employment headaches and will use companies to stay a step away avoiding sick pay, NI etc.....

If that's the case then we need some changes going forward. First we need what I said the other day and that is to get our own lazy sods off their arses and second companies to stop relying on cheap imported labour. Yes prices for goods will probably go up but the amount we pay in benefits will go down
Another thing that will help is we thank crop pickers and stop looking down our noses at their jobs, a bit like we're currently doing for supermarket and delivery people.

mal

Posts: 5589

#1428 15 Apr 2020 at 6.15pm

In reply to Post #1425
hmmmm

'Mal and Jon, with their, I want everyone to be happy, hats on will probably see it as conspiracy theory'

Terrible thing wanting everyone to be happy.

Perhaps if we just focus on keeping 'our own' happy eh? Yeah that'll do it... And then everyone else can keep 'their own' happy. No way that approach could ever cause any harm is there?

I'm off to watch 'Love Thy Neighbour' for some valuable research so that I can look out for the signs too.

fishie

Posts: 1587

#1427 15 Apr 2020 at 6.07pm

In reply to Post #1426
When you quote something quote it right

"the 1st of a possible six over the coming months" taken from DailyMail.com

The Mail has never been one to sensationalise things has it?

They are probably being brought in by a employment company and of course they will get the minimum wage with no deductions for living etc...or employment fees.

They are advertising for pickers in Kent but you have to look very hard to find adverts as the farmers don't want the employment headaches and will use companies to stay a step away avoiding sick pay, NI etc.....

just my humble opinion

Jon

Posts: 3496

#1426 15 Apr 2020 at 5.53pm

In reply to Post #1425
6 charter flights arriving in the UK tomorrow bringing fruit pickers from Romania. Odd?

Where are the plucky British fruit pickers? They can't work from home, so they're allowed to go to work.

Butterbean35

Posts: 764

#1425 15 Apr 2020 at 5.46pm

In reply to Post #1403
Hi Wayne,

Took me a while to get round to posting you.

You are right in mentioning that there is a war going on that is threatening the existence of our Western democratic, sovereign, free market led countries, which have produced the most successful, wealthy and sophisticated economies ever in human history. They are predicated on the individual being sovereign, as outlined in our English common law, which is the model adopted by all free countries.
As you pointed out, the enemy comes in the form of globalists like George Soros, who want to eliminate sovereignty, indigenous customs and nationalism in the form of pride and honour in your country and our absolute right to self rule the society our forefathers created and to pursue our own free destiny.
The US Democrats want open borders and promote identity politics ideology to divide the nation into ethnic groups and blame all ills on indigenous white supremacy.
The EU sole aim is a federal Europe, governed by a globalist elite, where one size fits all and free movement mixes populations to dilute sovereignty and to produce an EU army and gradually introduce measures that further dilute individual countries control of their own affairs, until, eventually, they become just regions of a European empire, similar to the old Soviet Union.
Mal and Jon, with their, I want everyone to be happy, hats on will probably see it as conspiracy theory, but watch carefully and look for the signs.
It is Trump and Johnson who are leading the fight.

BB.

spanker

Posts: 863

#1424 15 Apr 2020 at 5.35pm

In reply to Post #1419

I have a decorator who thinks the earth is flat , he also thinks dinosaurs didn't exist !

spanker

Posts: 863

#1423 15 Apr 2020 at 5.31pm

In reply to Post #1420

Sorry scozza , hangover day today , opened a single malt after a few tins of stella , only got an inch left now !

Not , where did you see that , do you have a source please !

Jon

Posts: 3496

#1422 15 Apr 2020 at 5.07pm

In reply to Post #1418
Foreigners weren't 'welcomed to stay' by the government, that's simply untrue.

They were made to jump through hoops despite being promised that their rights would be granted automatically.


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