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   Old Thread  #1581 19 Apr 2020 at 1.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Gove is Murdochís choice, always has been. The Times sacked Johnson years ago.
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   Old Thread  #1580 19 Apr 2020 at 1.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Sh1t...I promised myself I would not get into a debate that politicises the dreadful pandemic. That will surely come later, maybe many years later, when this awful plague is finally defeated. One thing's for sure, we cannot expect things to go back to normal...EVER!
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   Old Thread  #1579 19 Apr 2020 at 11.17am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Agreed about Brexit, and itís the same Anti-Brexit lot (led by the marching drum of the MSM) thatís finger pointing towards the Toryís and Trump over this COVID-19, and will remain to do so after it has been controlled and they find another issue to whine about.

Their energy would be better spent making noise towards the Chinese Communist Party where the root cause lays.
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   Old Thread  #1578 19 Apr 2020 at 11.01am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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He was a lazy ******* with no excuse before he got Covid19
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   Old Thread  #1577 19 Apr 2020 at 10.57am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Perhaps we should call every person who has been in hospital with CV19 a lazy ******* Jon.......

Germany looks after themselves and always have done! EU gone right out the window where there concerned!!
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   Old Thread  #1576 19 Apr 2020 at 10.53am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It's an interesting article.

So a major factor in the woeful performance of the UK seems to be the fact that Boris Johnson is a lazy *******. Just like he was when Foreign Sec and in just about every other job he's had. Who'd have thought it?
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   Old Thread  #1575 19 Apr 2020 at 10.45am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #1574 19 Apr 2020 at 10.24am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hindsight is a wonderful tool for some ,
It seems every country outside of Germany and South Korea have made mistakes , big mistakes , haven't they always at times of crisis 😥
Want to point fingers , then China is the place to point them ,
We have to hope there are no more mistakes now and do as we are told .
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   Old Thread  #1573 19 Apr 2020 at 10.21am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Government have done OK, PPE is an issue but if everyone and his dog is after it so understandably itís proving difficult to obtain!

These test runs governments do have a habit of coming true shortly after! 9/11, 7/7 pandemics etc! Makes me wonder!

Carehomes complaining about PPE is a joke, 80% are private so surely they should be looking into there own practices and why they are short!
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   Old Thread  #1572 19 Apr 2020 at 10.15am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I've not read the article yet but will. It does look like a rookie cabinet, set up for Brexit alone. Quite a few of the more experienced Tory Mp's were purged by Johnson because of their different approach to a deal with Europe. I don't think it's been a good thing having no scrutiny of the government by parliament in the last few weeks.
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   Old Thread  #1570 19 Apr 2020 at 9.05am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I donít think itís telling us anything that none of us did not witness first hand ourselves Ken, Brexit had become like a huge ďBall & ChainĒ dragging not just Government back from doing anything/making any decisions Ė but everybody & everything.


I suspect that if Brexit had happened exactly when it supposed to have done, we would all have been in a better place.
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   Old Thread  #1569 19 Apr 2020 at 8.24am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Damning indictment of this government's response in The Times (not behind paywall).

It's a long read but it is worth reading every word.

I'll leave the link out here but the rest is deleted.
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   Old Thread  #1568 19 Apr 2020 at 8.18am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Read the Sunday Times today.
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   Old Thread  #1567 18 Apr 2020 at 11.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hey fishie

That's really good news about your cousins dad



On the other stuff...

Obviously I don't subscribe to all the conspiracy theories. There's no evidence to prove this was engineered in a Chinese lab and then loosed on the world via a bat or whatever. Most scientific and medical experts believe it to be a naturally occurring virus that likely did jump to humans in the Wuhan area. That doesn't make it a 'Chinese virus' (thanks for that Mr Trump).

I'd imagine the Chinese medics ARE trying to find a vaccine. Just like the rest of the world.

I've read stuff about it being engineered by the U.S. military and then released in China. I think that's rubbish too - although it makes more sense than unleashing a virus on the citizens of your own country... (apologies for using the 'your own' phrase - don't like it but I'm in a different context here)

Defiant one makes a point about where the PPE is manufactured. And also made a really good point on another thread about WHY so much stuff we use is manufactured in places like China where labour is so cheap. If our PPE does mainly come from there, then it's a system we have helped to create and we've bought into for years. No point whinging about it now and saying it's all a Chinese master plan. It's not. It's economics and greedy western countries happy to turn a blind eye to human rights issues for the sake of making money. To be blunt - and in no way dismissing the tragedy of people's lives - we reap what we sow.

Governments are all making mistakes. Ours look like a headless chicken. China looks like a secretive James Bond villain. And then there's Trump who is playing politics with people's lives with his 'liberate...' tweets


I watched a really good interview on hardtalk today with David Milliband (not a person I've ever really listened to before) and he spoke some real sense. The 2 most effective governments so far appear to be Korea and Germany. Both very different models of governance. So if we are to look at who is offering the best option moving forward, there's no clear right answer as we can't adopt both their approaches...

My own belief, and hope is that the devisive and self serving talk is seen to be that and that governments / nations etc. recognise that this is a problem that is best tackled together. But I'm just a snowflake hippy so what do I know eh?

edit - just read this which throws another fox among the chickens....

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/18/coronavirus-may-started-september-scientists-say-12576961/?ito=cbsharehttps://metro.co.uk/2020/04/18/coronavirus-may-started-september-scientists-say-12576961/?ito=cbshare&utm_source=pushly
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