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   Old Thread  #2379 6 May 2020 at 12.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!


I'll try once more... Keeping it as basic as I can.

wearing a simple mask reduces the risk to other people.

wearing a more expensive mask can reduce the risk to yourself.

both of these are good things.


wearing no mask at all increases the risk to others and yourself

this is a bad thing



A wise man once said 'if you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem'
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   Old Thread  #2378 6 May 2020 at 12.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Damn right it's state sponsored propaganda , but its more truth than what is coming from that buffoons mouth in America , just like Al jazeera or RT , its all propaganda to cast their economic rivals in a bad light . Hegemony , but these economic enemies have to be carefull with their propaganda as they will get jumped on for the smallest of porkies , whilst the bbc can drop whoooooopers without challenge , but in our competitors countries the bbc do get challenged and found out and likewise their own state sponsored crap goes unchallenged !
This is why good independent journalists and whistle blowers are being silenced here and abroad !

Wayne , all been talked about over and over again , scroll back and have a look !

Not just research which countries are wearing them and the impact of wearing them , again it's been covered here before
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   Old Thread  #2377 6 May 2020 at 12.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Mal,

It seems to me, if it was simple, world wide medical opinion would be in agreement and not the differing views we have at present.
Re the UK, I would think our meds reluctance to recommend the use of masks is, firstly that they are very concerned that it could seriously compromise supplies of med masks to front liners and secondly, that widespread, but not complete wearing of cheaper masks by the public, could result in widespread slackening of social distancing, hand hygiene and general lockdown measures, due to a sense of false security.
Over the last month, the daily infection rate recorded, has hovered around the 5000 mark, which indicates that the transmission rate is 1 or less. This is a tiny fraction of our total population which stands at about 65.5 million, so a decision has to be made as to whether making the effort and expense of making and supplying at least, 60 millions of cheap masks, the vast majority of which, would be of no effect, is worth it.
Especially when factored against the probability that our current distancing etc measures, could be compromised to the extent that, the situation could possibly be made worse and lead to more rather than less infection spread.
If I was Spanker, and if he and his workmates on site, know they are uninfected, I wouldn't bother wearing a cheaper mask.

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   Old Thread  #2376 6 May 2020 at 11.49am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Spanker put this up the other day
LINK
It's suggested that the Chinese State produced it. To me it looks like they are deflecting blame from themselves to America.
Yes the Americans have made mistakes but taking the piss out of them while acting as they have acted responsibly doesn't sit right with me.
I'm not going to enter an argument about it but just to say that me and Spanker see that video in different ways.
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   Old Thread  #2375 6 May 2020 at 11.27am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Quick question.....

If masks work, why do all the businesses, pubs, restaurants etc have to be closed? At the same time if they donít work why are we being asked to potentially wear them????

Also I Read a report that global infection is probably closer to an estimated 30 million which pulls the death rate down to 1% But then begs the question why we have had this global lockdown.....
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   Old Thread  #2374 6 May 2020 at 11.21am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not exactly true. If you have a cold/flu/CV19 and you are wearing a mask, then the viral load will increase in your body, as you are continually breathing it in.

Washing hands works the same, the less of it you have the less your immune system has to work, the more you have immune system is over worked.

You get stung by a wasp it's ok - you get stung by 500 wasps it's goodnight.
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   Old Thread  #2373 6 May 2020 at 11.13am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It's hilarious (but crazily sad) how the 'machine' is turning this around to make China look innocent. It'll be Americas fault soon, i hope some of you are seeing how the propaganda machine works now!

As Roger Walkers wrote in 1975, "Welcome to the Machine"

The Guardian are hand ringing and bowing down to the paymasters, who pay the money into their Cayman account, it's all very simple really chaps.
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   Old Thread  #2372 6 May 2020 at 0.05am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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stella then Lagavulin tonight , it was good to see some of the lads on site today , funny trying to have a conversation when everyone is wearing a mask ,it's usually just me wearing one , i am slowly getting used to it though !
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   Old Thread  #2371 5 May 2020 at 11.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'm with you fella

where's the old rosie?

you reckon i can drink it through my mask....?
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   Old Thread  #2370 5 May 2020 at 11.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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ffs , i cant be arsed , i have been ranting on for months about wearing masks !, which ones , how to wear them , where to buy them ,how much they cost , what they smell like , what they feel like what they ,,,,,, argghhh , more whiskey !
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   Old Thread  #2369 5 May 2020 at 11.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi BB

It is that simple.

as you said already, both types of mask have benefits. So if people are wearing them there is a benefit.
If we are waiting for a coordinated plan then we run the risk of old age getting to us never mind C-19!

More people wearing masks reduces risk.

Think of it in terms of car safety. Airbags have a benefit. Seatbelts have a benefit. If we lived in a world where cars had one or the other, you wouldn't look for a third option with neither until someone came up with a coordinated plan for the airbag/seatbelt difference in benefit conundrum would you?

The issue with supply is a consideration of course - however you could argue that if more people wear the simpler masks in everyday life, there would be less need for the medical grade ones as cases fell...

See? - simple



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   Old Thread  #2368 5 May 2020 at 11.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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As long as everyone can make a balanced decision whilst being guided by people we can trust , we will all be fine !
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   Old Thread  #2367 5 May 2020 at 10.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Ocelot,

If by rationing, you mean the government, only struggling to keep up supplies of ffp3s to front line staff, then I would imagine that's a major factor in them not recommending masks at the moment.

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   Old Thread  #2366 5 May 2020 at 10.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Mal,

Unfortunately, I don't think it's that simple.
There needs to be a coordinated plan for the recommendation and use of masks for maximum effect.
For example, if a person who has been on lockdown for weeks and knows that they are not infected, then goes out, a cheaper mask that would only protect others wouldn't be effective for them. The ffp3 mask would be effective for them, but the priority and problem is keeping up supplies for front line workers, so the government wouldn't want to compromise that by recommending them for public use.
Until there is a workable, coordinated plan, they won't want to give the public a false sense of security.

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   Old Thread  #2365 5 May 2020 at 9.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Perhaps a bigger factor is rationing.
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