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Butterbean35

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#1587 19 Apr 2020 at 2.51pm

In reply to Post #1579
Hi Guys,

Just a few observations.

Ken....I wouldn't call the Times right wing. I read it for years, and the reason I did was because I found it to be the least partisan and hyped with Dogma, at least in their editorial pages. They would give criticism or support to political issues without obvious bias. They often printed articles from journalists both left and right to present a balanced view.

Re the article you posted, Michael Gove was interviewed this morning and pointed out errors, like that, Prime minister's don't always chair Cobra meetings, nor do the military always attend anfd that the relevant cabinet minister, often chairs those under his remit. The point is, that the devil's in the detail and eventually, detailed, forensic reports will come which will give a more definitive analysis to apportion responsibility.

Re South Korea, they suffered from the last sars outbreak and so learned lessons and stockpiled huge quantities of kit and were ready for any new virus outbreak.
Germany, to their credit, immediately identified the value of testing and were fortunate to have about 100 Roche labs in situ, and instructed them to produce millions of test kits.

Re China, Not's 1384 post gave a damning opinion based on his own personal experience and re his reference to cruelty to animals, I read an opinion, that a good pointer to a country's ethics and humanity was to look at their treatment of animals, both wild and domestic. Well, pictures of Chinese wet markets with dogs hanging on meathooks and info that they boil them alive paints a bleak picture.
Given that China is an authoritarian regime, it seems naīve to give their freedom of information, the same credibility as would be given to a western democracy, which is tough enough to evaluate.

Mal, it's interesting that you would give an apology for writing, " your own. " You mentioned it to me before, questioning my use of " my own. " I wonder why, innocently expressing possession, would give cause for a negative connotation?
Do you never say, my car, my children, my house, my wife, my syndicate, my mistake, my problem? So what's wrong, as I did, in saying my country? I could say, the country that I was born and live in, or the wife that I am married to, but that is unnecessarily cumbersome and means the same thing.

BB.

Edit. I forgot you Jon boy, mustn't ignore you eh?
Of all the pejoratives you use and could use, you pick lazy, re Johnson?
Given the effort politicians have to make to climb to the leadership of their party and campaign, successfully to become Prime minister, lazy would seem to be the least effective insult you could throw.

Marks.....3/10.

Wayne

Posts: 16391

#1586 19 Apr 2020 at 2.42pm

In reply to Post #1583
Ocelot, you cannot be serious!!

The responsibility for care homes is down to the management company, not the government in anyway, shape or form!

After all this BJ will still be PM and now has the job of getting the country moving again, no easy feat but Im sure there will be plenty saying Labour would be doing so much better......

@ Spanker - Bolton is now the CV hotspot you say. well hopefully it will clean up / sort the grooming gangs as labour never could and KS wouldnt dare for fear of losing voters in that neck of the woods!!

fishie

Posts: 1484

#1585 19 Apr 2020 at 2.33pm

In reply to Post #1584
The Care Home owners were happy to take the profits, not just a profit but cutting everything to the bone to really maximise profits, they should be supplying PPE and a safe working and living environment. As a short term infill the workers and residents should be supplied with PPE but bill the owners once this is under control for the full cost ie logistics, deliveries and the cost of PPE.

Its the same as Branson laying people off and then asking for government support. Its wrong on every level.

Cant wat for the government update and the inane stupid questions from the journalists, its pathetic from both sides and if I see that slide showing how travel has reduced one more time I will probably loose it, what ****ing use is that slide and even shows all motor vehicle rising 😡

rivers

Posts: 4465

#1584 19 Apr 2020 at 1.52pm

In reply to Post #1583
So ignore the chain of responsibility and jump straight to the top then ? The people in charge of the care home's are directly responsible ,

ocelot

Posts: 809

#1583 19 Apr 2020 at 1.34pm

In reply to Post #1573
Government's may have outsourced the care of the elderly to profit making organisations. No government can outsource their responsibility for our elderly and vulnerable though.

spanker

Posts: 635

#1582 19 Apr 2020 at 1.34pm

My area in Bolton is now the "North west hot spot" , great !

At last , the majority of papers are finally reporting on this fiasco , who's head will roll , i reckon Hancock will be sacrificed to save Boris ! when really it should be Boris

nine0six

Posts: 2565

#1581 19 Apr 2020 at 1.16pm

In reply to Post #1575
Gove is Murdochs choice, always has been. The Times sacked Johnson years ago.

KenTownley

Posts: 29875

#1580 19 Apr 2020 at 1.10pm

In reply to Post #1579
EDITED...

Sh1t...I promised myself I would not get into a debate that politicises the dreadful pandemic. That will surely come later, maybe many years later, when this awful plague is finally defeated. One thing's for sure, we cannot expect things to go back to normal...EVER!

mike81

Posts: 1505

#1579 19 Apr 2020 at 11.17am

In reply to Post #1570
Agreed about Brexit, and its the same Anti-Brexit lot (led by the marching drum of the MSM) thats finger pointing towards the Torys and Trump over this COVID-19, and will remain to do so after it has been controlled and they find another issue to whine about.

Their energy would be better spent making noise towards the Chinese Communist Party where the root cause lays.

Jon

Posts: 3267

#1578 19 Apr 2020 at 11.01am

In reply to Post #1577
He was a lazy ******* with no excuse before he got Covid19

Wayne

Posts: 16391

#1577 19 Apr 2020 at 10.57am

In reply to Post #1576
Perhaps we should call every person who has been in hospital with CV19 a lazy ******* Jon.......

Germany looks after themselves and always have done! EU gone right out the window where there concerned!!

Jon

Posts: 3267

#1576 19 Apr 2020 at 10.53am

In reply to Post #1575
It's an interesting article.

So a major factor in the woeful performance of the UK seems to be the fact that Boris Johnson is a lazy *******. Just like he was when Foreign Sec and in just about every other job he's had. Who'd have thought it?

KenTownley

Posts: 29875

#1575 19 Apr 2020 at 10.45am

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rivers

Posts: 4465

#1574 19 Apr 2020 at 10.24am

In reply to Post #1571
Hindsight is a wonderful tool for some ,
It seems every country outside of Germany and South Korea have made mistakes , big mistakes , haven't they always at times of crisis 😥
Want to point fingers , then China is the place to point them ,
We have to hope there are no more mistakes now and do as we are told .

Wayne

Posts: 16391

#1573 19 Apr 2020 at 10.21am

In reply to Post #1572
Government have done OK, PPE is an issue but if everyone and his dog is after it so understandably its proving difficult to obtain!

These test runs governments do have a habit of coming true shortly after! 9/11, 7/7 pandemics etc! Makes me wonder!

Carehomes complaining about PPE is a joke, 80% are private so surely they should be looking into there own practices and why they are short!


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