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   Old Thread  #1982 28 Apr 2020 at 12.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Anyone see Owen Jones on the Jeremy Vine show today, I saw some of it.
It was a bit like on here. He was spouting off much like the left wingers on here, uncannily some of it sounded almost word by word. Then like on here he was met with mostly the same opposition and like on here a few in agreement
One think I took is that largely the British public are forgiving on this epidemic, yes things could've been done better but most people realise these are unprecedented times with a handful who knew better from day one.
A bit like on here

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Nail on head there Noj
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   Old Thread  #1981 28 Apr 2020 at 12.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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looks like the knives are out now for Doris

Knives are out for every prime minister unless its a Labour one and the BBC are reporting on it......Chuck the Daily Mirror in the pot too as they talk ***** as well......
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   Old Thread  #1980 28 Apr 2020 at 12.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Just like Boris , Im on holiday again

All depends on where you get your information from , try to not let it upset you , i know lockdown is hard , maybe time to get the camera out and take some nice snaps or just go for a walk maybe in the countryside !

Remember , its not going to last for ever !

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   Old Thread  #1979 28 Apr 2020 at 11.56am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
if anything the beeb had been very wary of criticism of Boris since he threatened them back at Christmas...
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   Old Thread  #1978 28 Apr 2020 at 11.52am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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All I need to know:

"Panorama is a British current affairs documentary programme aired on BBC Television. First broadcast in 1953, it is the world's longest-running news television programme.[1] Panorama has been presented by many well known BBC presenters, including Richard Dimbleby, Robin Day, David Dimbleby and Jeremy Vine. As of 2018, it still retains a peak time transmission slot on BBC One, but without a regular presenter. The programme also airs worldwide through BBC World News in many countries".

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   Old Thread  #1977 28 Apr 2020 at 11.40am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They’ve all been mentioned by you because you have regurgitated them from various media sources. If you were and are such a font of knowledge on pandemic planning and management wtf are you doing on here?
Clearly you should be w.h.o chairman or prime minister?
Oh that’s right, you’re actually as clueless as the rest of us plebs
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   Old Thread  #1976 28 Apr 2020 at 11.28am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Also in my local paper recently and on panorama last night , the material for gowns that is made in Bolton , one of the items our nhs is desperate for , numerous times waited for a response for orders ,from our government , but received none , so now sell the material ,80 % of all they produce to America

buffoonery of the highest order !

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   Old Thread  #1975 28 Apr 2020 at 11.26am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
safer off being in Vietnam..0 new cases,270 cases detected,222 recovered,0 deaths..not bad for a 3rd world country with a population of 97mill plus...
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   Old Thread  #1974 28 Apr 2020 at 11.22am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think more or less all the points listed on panorama last night have had a mention by me recently with the exception of the downgrading of the severity of c19 officially , so a lesser quality of ppe could be worn legally , which is the real reason we have seen so many death's in frontline workers , despicable policies , there should and hopefully will be legal action against those responsible , so called "following the science " anyway , looks like the knives are out now for Doris .

Truly , are people still in denial regarding this catastrophe , still trying to make excuses up for Boris and co ,time to wake up ! you are in a very deep hole now , even BB has deserted you !
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   Old Thread  #1973 28 Apr 2020 at 11.21am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The government refuses to explain where the other masks have gone."

It's not up to the government to look in all the cupboards and count them surely those who were charged with looking after them should be accountable?
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   Old Thread  #1972 28 Apr 2020 at 11.16am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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There you go. If you're working on false figures for equipment, cause you booted buying it into the long grass hardly surprising when it goes tits up

"The investigation by BBC Panorama found that vital items were left out of the stockpile when it was set up in 2009 and that the government subsequently ignored a warning from its own advisers to buy missing equipment.
The expert committee that advises the government on pandemics, the New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (Nervtag), recommended the purchase of gowns last June.

Gowns are currently one of the items in shortest supply in the UK and they are now difficult to source because of the global shortage of PPE.

Doctors and nurses have complained that there are also shortages of the life-saving FFP3 respirator masks.

Panorama has discovered that millions of FFP3 respirator masks are unaccounted for.

There were 33 million on the original 2009 procurement list for the stockpile, but only 12 million have been handed out.

The government refuses to explain where the other masks have gone."
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   Old Thread  #1971 28 Apr 2020 at 10.56am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So in 2009 the government were told to stockpile PPE , I can see why your calling for Boris to go

What, when Gordon Brown was PM, surely not?

To be fair Boris walked into the Brexit ****storm and had that to sort out so PPE wasn't that high on his agenda until it was too late unfortunately, that's Hancock's dept anyway as is attending the Cobra meetings
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   Old Thread  #1970 28 Apr 2020 at 10.45am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I didn't watch it as it was on BBC for the same reasons.

But without seeing it I will make a stab at surmising, undisclosed sources, equipment missing, wrong equipment and lack of forward planning for the unseen pandemic. So its obviously Boris's fault and the NHS managers and procurement are not in anyway to blame.

As i already stated lets clear this situation and then have a proper inquiry into what went wrong, whose to blame and a best practice response to any future problems.

But in five years I can forsee a Panorama programme about the waste of equipment sitting in warehouses and why are the government wasting money

And can someone correct me if I'm wrong but we are including any death with CV mentioned on the certificate and Germany only recording it if CV is the major cause of death?
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   Old Thread  #1969 28 Apr 2020 at 10.37am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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More honest than your review of the article on the program then hopefully.
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   Old Thread  #1968 28 Apr 2020 at 9.54am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I didn't watch the program , have read the BBC news report on the film , the fact it's a BBC program means it's not likely to be impartial 🙄😂
So you have people that wish to remain anonymous (that's handy ,
So in 2009 the government were told to stockpile PPE , I can see why your calling for Boris to go 🙄😂
Mistakes have been made , of course they have , as they have in every country except Germany and South Korea .
I expect there will be a reckoning when this is over , an honest one hopefully .
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