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   Old Thread  #4929 20 Jan 2021 at 10.00am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hopefully that 25% is the younger generation...... ........no drama if it is......
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   Old Thread  #4928 19 Jan 2021 at 5.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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or swept under the carpet?


just read that 25% of New Yorkers plan to not have the vaccine. luckily still 58% of Americans don't have a passport...
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   Old Thread  #4927 19 Jan 2021 at 5.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Shouldn't that be the loft?
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   Old Thread  #4926 19 Jan 2021 at 5.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #4925 18 Jan 2021 at 7.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Crackers Jon

Nice to hear she i well though after the jabs
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   Old Thread  #4924 18 Jan 2021 at 6.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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go on Nan!
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   Old Thread  #4923 18 Jan 2021 at 6.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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My nan has had both shots, no headaches or anything.
Sheís a little old Jewish woman we age at about 178.
ďI survived the bloody NazisĒ
ďI know you did nanĒ

*she is from Bermondsey
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   Old Thread  #4922 18 Jan 2021 at 4.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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My missus next vaccine is in 3 months, wonder if people will get another round of symptoms after receiving the first one, anybody heard anything out of interest?
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   Old Thread  #4921 18 Jan 2021 at 10.39am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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My wife is a nurse had hers thursday and also had a headache for a day or two
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   Old Thread  #4920 17 Jan 2021 at 8.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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My missus had the Astra Zenica so it will be interesting to see moving forward if one is better than the other and the side effects etc. Could be vaccine orientated
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   Old Thread  #4919 17 Jan 2021 at 8.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Agreed, will be great to go out properly again and I wonít need to spend so much time on here winding people up.......
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   Old Thread  #4918 17 Jan 2021 at 8.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Seems to be GP surgery dependant too. The younger of my missus grandmas is getting it this week, the other one with a different surgery, in the next town is still waiting for any word on hers.
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   Old Thread  #4917 17 Jan 2021 at 8.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Iím not sure Wayne, there is a grading system, I would say anytime soon pal

The sooner we see the back of this crap the better for me, letís get back to some kind of normal
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   Old Thread  #4916 17 Jan 2021 at 8.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Similar to mine Greekskii, the full flu symptoms as she described it, here words today, feel a million times better

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   Old Thread  #4915 17 Jan 2021 at 8.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thats good
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   Old Thread  #4914 17 Jan 2021 at 7.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Sounds ok Scozza, Good rollout by the government but my mum who is in a care home still hasnít had a date given? Her age may be the factor I suppose?
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   Old Thread  #4913 17 Jan 2021 at 7.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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My missus was the same. Dead arm on day 1. Splitting headache on day 2. Then felt fine. All her colleagues reported similar too.
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   Old Thread  #4912 17 Jan 2021 at 7.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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My Dad has had no obvious adverse reactions to the vaccine
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   Old Thread  #4911 17 Jan 2021 at 7.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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My Mrs had hers the day before yesterday, felt crap all day yesterday, OK today.

Sounds like a bit of a pattern, my mates missus is a nurse, she was the same, just so folk are aware
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   Old Thread  #4910 17 Jan 2021 at 7.37pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yep , my Dad had his vaccine as it was made to be taken 21 days apart , we need to preserve our nhs !
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   Old Thread  #4909 17 Jan 2021 at 6.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Cheers Bob, fingers crossed they get all the old folk done soon. They've certainly done well so far.
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   Old Thread  #4908 17 Jan 2021 at 6.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Please to hear that Jon.
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   Old Thread  #4907 17 Jan 2021 at 4.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Government says no
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   Old Thread  #4906 17 Jan 2021 at 4.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'M TRYING TO BE POSITIVE FFS
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   Old Thread  #4905 17 Jan 2021 at 4.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Issue is she might not get another dose according to the new plan!
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   Old Thread  #4904 17 Jan 2021 at 4.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Fair play to the govt., my mum got her first shot of the Pfizer vaccine yesterday, and said it was very well organised. Good stuff.

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   Old Thread  #4903 12 Jan 2021 at 6.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Which was only slightly more than than the fries.
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   Old Thread  #4902 11 Jan 2021 at 9.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Wrong

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   Old Thread  #4901 11 Jan 2021 at 8.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Good one
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   Old Thread  #4900 11 Jan 2021 at 8.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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(in my best Father Dougal voice)...

'oh right Ted. That'll be it.'

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   Old Thread  #4899 11 Jan 2021 at 8.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You're not being cynical, you're just being plain daft.
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   Old Thread  #4898 11 Jan 2021 at 7.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thatís because they canít force anyone to have it. And plenty are refusing. But then they are all at it with the misreporting. Most MSM directly is quoting the government to make them look better. 2.4m vaccines administered and the MSM were saying 2.4m Britons vaccinated. Real figures are 1.9m have the first does and the remainder have had 2.
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   Old Thread  #4897 11 Jan 2021 at 7.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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yeah I caught that one...

next it will be 'people who know someone who has been offered a vaccine'

then 'people who can spell vaccine' - which will exclude 90% of the anti - 'vaxxer' brigade (so a small win there I guess)

the eventually of course 'people who can afford the vaccine - or are chums with one of the old boys who own the company'



of course i'm just being cynical. My mam had her first shot - said the only side effect was a strange taste for about half an hour. Waiting on her second dose now.
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   Old Thread  #4896 11 Jan 2021 at 7.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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.......working ok I think.....
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   Old Thread  #4895 11 Jan 2021 at 7.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Anyone noticed the government shifting from 'people vaccinated' to 'people offered a vaccine'?

Moving the goalposts already? Surely not ..
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   Old Thread  #4894 11 Jan 2021 at 7.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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well it is unconventional - and I found it uncomfortable sitting down for a couple of days afterwards...

but it seems scozza was fine with it
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   Old Thread  #4893 11 Jan 2021 at 6.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Seems fine to me
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   Old Thread  #4892 11 Jan 2021 at 5.28pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
The mods really do need to revisit the criteria for allocation of a thumb icon
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   Old Thread  #4891 11 Jan 2021 at 5.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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None of that confrontational talk on here you'll get this thread closed as well
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   Old Thread  #4890 11 Jan 2021 at 5.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No you have eachother
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   Old Thread  #4889 11 Jan 2021 at 5.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Any chance of a 3 way lads.......
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   Old Thread  #4888 11 Jan 2021 at 5.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Least we have some pals
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   Old Thread  #4887 11 Jan 2021 at 5.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Why don't you two book a room once lockdown is over
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   Old Thread  #4886 11 Jan 2021 at 4.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I've never seen Casualty or Holby are they like Doctor In The House?
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   Old Thread  #4885 11 Jan 2021 at 4.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Exactly

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   Old Thread  #4884 11 Jan 2021 at 4.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Billy no pals to be precise
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   Old Thread  #4883 11 Jan 2021 at 4.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I ainít mad Geeki and have no time for BBC articles of any kind as any one with sense knows it reports pure bollox!

Donít you know All of the hospital videos they show are the BBC set of Holby city and Casualty with great actors!
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   Old Thread  #4882 11 Jan 2021 at 4.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Who, Billy no mates
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   Old Thread  #4881 11 Jan 2021 at 4.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Good news

Braders stop whinging
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   Old Thread  #4880 11 Jan 2021 at 4.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Less ****s in there than on here
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   Old Thread  #4879 11 Jan 2021 at 4.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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what did you think of it though...? did you enjoy it?
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   Old Thread  #4878 11 Jan 2021 at 4.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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**** me, can you imagine. Malís spreading love and peace whilst tinheads spreading his legs for scozza
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   Old Thread  #4877 11 Jan 2021 at 4.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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A place called Waterworld near Hanley did a naked swim night,it did not go down very well in the local papers
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   Old Thread  #4876 11 Jan 2021 at 4.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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i'm up for that

'naked thursdays' will be a vote winner....
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   Old Thread  #4875 11 Jan 2021 at 3.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You will feel like **** tomorrow,like you have been hit by a train
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   Old Thread  #4874 11 Jan 2021 at 3.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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well had my vaccine at work today all i can say is organisation was superb, and not a whinger in sight, unlike on here
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   Old Thread  #4873 11 Jan 2021 at 3.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So let's spend millions on hospitals that we have no staff for as the NHS has been drained for years and years.Yet another amazing decision made by the government,we would be better off with the three stooges in charge Mal,Scozza and Tinhead
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   Old Thread  #4872 11 Jan 2021 at 3.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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except they're not... that's the point eh?

and the nightingale hospitals have turned into the huge white elephant they are because there's no point having a separate hospital when you can't staff it. seems obvious to me but then i'm not a Health Minister am I?

edit - and what tinhead said
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   Old Thread  #4871 11 Jan 2021 at 3.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No read Mal's link you lazy sod

The important bit
Responding to a question about hospital beds being empty, NHS England chief executive Sir Simon Stevens said: "When people say that, that is a lie."

What do the videos show?
They're mostly filmed by individuals walking through quiet hospital corridors and are being posted in Facebook groups and on the Twitter feeds of coronavirus sceptics and anti-lockdown activists.
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   Old Thread  #4870 11 Jan 2021 at 3.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So the hospitals are almost as empty as the schools and all the high street shops that have closed down
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thanks tinhead - I'm getting there with the whole computer thing...

just finished an online lesson with 20+ Y8 kids who are already way better at it all than I will ever be!

I thought it was an interesting article too. maybe someone who chooses to walk into a hospital through a sign that clearly states 'No Entry' isn't the best source for accurate information....
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   Old Thread  #4868 11 Jan 2021 at 2.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Lol. My son was born in princess royal and I have an identical photo of the spare beds and empty corridors from December.
There were certainly a lot of women in labour and masked up old people being wheeled about, the coffee shop was rammed too
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Wayne guna be maaaaaaad
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Your link almost worked but you have a letter 'a' at the end of it. Remove that and it will work

Good article BTW
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   Old Thread  #4865 11 Jan 2021 at 1.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
reality check on those 'empty hospital' facebook videos...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55560714



trying to do a link again...
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Ta.
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Donít be like that Spanky.......just in case though, do you rent a flat above a kebab shop by any chance.......

Clever you mean Notalot........if your on FB and your profile is available for all to see then your audience can be anyone for all to see too......

No conspiracy theorist here Geeki, just saying what I see but doesnít mean I believe it.......
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Donít think you need to be any sort of expert to see the simple things to control the virus.

Also does that mean youíre calling Boris and co. Experts?? Because thatís a ****ing big stretch
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   Old Thread  #4861 10 Jan 2021 at 2.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Tinhead quite clearly
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   Old Thread  #4860 10 Jan 2021 at 2.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Mr conspiracy theory over here telling everyone that other people talk ****
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   Old Thread  #4859 10 Jan 2021 at 2.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Tinhead finds one article which says that the less effective vaccine is still less effective than the others if you delay it. Nothing to prove the Pfizer vaccine is as effective when delayed. So how do you justify a delay in the Pfizer one?

Cmon snowflake, no need to cry and swear
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   Old Thread  #4858 10 Jan 2021 at 2.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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A one issue PM appointed a rookie one issue cabinet.
External event's have exposed an economy increasingly built on sand in the last decade. As well as an NHS that was running too lean already along with a disjointed under funded care system. Any global tremors and we're totally exposed and in trouble. Built by the same people calling the shots now. The problem now is it's a zombie government, polls tell us the majority want Johnson to go. If the public loses confidence in it's lawmakers/leaders, the actions and motives of those same are increasingly questioned. Thats where we are in my view.
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   Old Thread  #4857 10 Jan 2021 at 1.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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could be a small list of 'they've done a good job' supporters Braders...

Maybe Matt Hancock's mum, but that pretty much revolves around 'oooh I saw you on the telly again Matthew. You do look handsome, but a bit thin. Are you eating enough?'

I think they've been rubbish. and not just on the core Covid stuff either. weak leadership, no sense of forward planning, poor decision making based on trying to win popularity rather than real public need, throwing various sets of workers under the bus (the one with the big lie painted on it), out of touch... i could go on (and sometimes I do )


oh, and Gavin Williamson can ...
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   Old Thread  #4856 10 Jan 2021 at 1.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
So who actually still thinks the government and the experts have done a good job.Just putting it out there to get peoples genuine thoughts.My opinion is they have been utterly ****ing useless and acted too slowly every time which has costs lives
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   Old Thread  #4855 10 Jan 2021 at 1.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What an extremely weird creep you are.
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maybe it could work in your favour - if you keep posting on facebook, it's only a matter of time before he starts quoting you as a source...
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I'm expecting to see Billy bullsh** at the end of my street soon , fu**ing stalker !
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   Old Thread  #4852 10 Jan 2021 at 1.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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'And even then as with all science, people pick the most believable theory and go with that.'


except Wayne who goes for the opposite...
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Yep , you need some help !
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You can get a good idea of the right course of action by looking at those who have done well , but and this was the problem , when you set off with a "herd immunity " plan when the world is saying "what the fu**are you doing " you have to question things .
When corruption and cronyism hinders every part of our response to covid , rightfully you find yourself getting very annoyed !

And all the evidence is there to hand with regard to Highest deaths and worst economic impact , to judge them , and it has been one monstrous "fu** up " , and Boris and co are completely out of their depth !
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   Old Thread  #4849 10 Jan 2021 at 1.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Superiority complex I call it.
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   Old Thread  #4848 10 Jan 2021 at 1.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thatís the problem with threads like this everyone thinks they are an expert .
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   Old Thread  #4847 10 Jan 2021 at 12.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Doubt youíll find many peer reviews for vaccines that have been around for 5 minutes, only different interpretations of the data provided by manufacturers..
And even then as with all science, people pick the most believable theory and go with that.
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so many arm chair experts !!! everyone thinks they can do it better, well say they can the world as a whole is in crisis with covid, not just us. Must be marvellous to be all knowing, making a reliable all covering vaccine takes years not the months they have done it in, the number of unrealistic idealistic buffoons baffles me resorting to name calling. clearly have nothing else to do at this time, if they were pulling any tom dick or harry in to administer vaccines wed be complaining then, it really is simple stay at home wait till your called for your vaccine. Id love to not be doing 6 day weeks and spending time with my kids but that was my choice with the profession i chose, just do as your asked and stop whinging about it. And please don't go out and clap when asked to id much rather you stayed at home and listend means far more to us the NHS.
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I'm not a violent man but for some reason every time I see Hancocks unemotional face I feel an uncontrollable urge to punch it repeatedly until finished. Every time he's interviewed he does that thing that kids do when they know and you know they are lying, trying to keep a straight face and not smile, he blew it though when he finally cracked and then tried to cover it with the fake crying ********. Either that or he has a serious Botox addiction
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   Old Thread  #4844 10 Jan 2021 at 12.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Your link
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   Old Thread  #4843 10 Jan 2021 at 12.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
https://youtu.be/r-6V27q9M1k
FFS.
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   Old Thread  #4842 10 Jan 2021 at 12.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You still havenít give one example of bull****.......

Thought I would have a look to see if the **** you post on here is the same **** you share on FB........yep......although Iím surprised to see you can actually catch a fish......

Although your Not half as bad as Geeki.......he is relentless......
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billy bullshi* in his latest attempt to dig some dirt turns out to be a pathetic stalker , you sad Basta** !
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What they should be doing is releasing the data and evidence that they are basing their programme of a delayed vaccination on with peer reviews , until that time people will be sceptical !
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You want to see Geekis Facebook page........everyone is a ****ing moron, ****ing idiot or ****ing ****........spankys is similar too.......

This new variant is bull****........itís seasonal flu now but dragging Covid into it to try and make people listen to the advice more!!!!
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   Old Thread  #4838 10 Jan 2021 at 11.58am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Oh , fu** off with "the last word "! thing , nobody gives a fu** anyway !
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   Old Thread  #4837 10 Jan 2021 at 11.55am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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A quick google brought this to the top
LINK

You can use the internet to feed your confirmation bias just as well as I can.

The other day you wanted the last word as you said I insulted you.
I have tried to be polite but it seems you are unable to reply without trying to ridicule me.
So I shall stop here and just say **** off you ****, now over to you for the last word
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   Old Thread  #4836 10 Jan 2021 at 11.14am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Youíre actually being serious so itís not that funny really. Defo go issues you.
All as in all of the ones that have come out to say itís not the way to go, which if you look outside British MSM, is a LOT of experts.

Iíd recommend a few lessons from Mal to help you grasp the English language. Online only of course.
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   Old Thread  #4835 10 Jan 2021 at 11.10am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Are you sure that they are all wrong?
Not all the experts say that though.
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   Old Thread  #4834 10 Jan 2021 at 10.50am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Plenty of countries rolling it out much better than us and a lot quicker.
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No because I wasnít in the meeting, hence saying Iíd love to have been...




Both manufacturers and leading virologists globally have extended massive reservations about it not working and potentially a 3rd dose being required because a treble in wait time will see it be much less effective.
Are you sure that they are all wrong?
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   Old Thread  #4832 10 Jan 2021 at 10.19am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It will be interesting to see the facts afterwards, you may find out we were up there with the best
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   Old Thread  #4831 9 Jan 2021 at 9.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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ďNo, science says not to do that. It might not work and everyone will need a 3rd doseĒ
Are you sure about that?
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   Old Thread  #4830 9 Jan 2021 at 7.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I am still finding hard to believe , some countries have actually made us look good regarding the vaccine roll out , i suppose eventually , another country must eventually fu** up more than us on one aspect of the whole sorry debacle , nothing really worth getting carried away with , shout your mouth off when we have a result , they still have time to fu** it up and they will !
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   Old Thread  #4829 9 Jan 2021 at 7.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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other people being s*** at something doesn't excuse our lot being s*** at it

by way of an example...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13675311/matt-hancock-oxford-vaccine-surgery-delivery-gps/
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   Old Thread  #4828 9 Jan 2021 at 7.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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**** me! Before criticising the cabinet about the vaccine rollout look at the other wonderful countries that have done so well With their vaccine rollout during this **** show!!!
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I think you are the last misguided one still trying to blow smoke up Boris's ar*e ,

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Iíd love to be a fly on the wall in their little meetings.
ďHow can we **** this up? Whatís the dangersĒ
ďWell letís just get this rolled out properly, no messingĒ
ďYeah letís treble the time between doses and increase the numbers so people like us againĒ
ďNo, science says not to do that. It might not work and everyone will need a 3rd doseĒ
ďYeah but Darren on Facebook who has a picture of a flying donkey as a profile pic said itís the best wayĒ
ďThe AstraZeneca vaccine is only 62% effective if done properly, you know, 3 weeks after the first doseĒ
ďLetís just get the yes men to back us and hope everyone believes usĒ

Do you think the conversation go like that?
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Iíd love to be a fly on the wall in their little meetings.
ďHow can we **** this up? Whatís the dangersĒ
ďWell letís just get this rolled out properly, no messingĒ
ďYeah letís treble the time between doses and increase the numbers so people like us againĒ
ďNo, science says not to do that. It might not work and everyone will need a 3rd doseĒ
ďYeah but Darren on Facebook who has a picture of a flying donkey as a profile pic said itís the best wayĒ
ďThe AstraZeneca vaccine is only 62% effective if done properly, you know, 3 weeks after the first doseĒ
ďLetís just get the yes men to back us and hope everyone believes usĒ

Do you think the conversation go like that?
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   Old Thread  #4824 9 Jan 2021 at 6.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You are like a stuck record
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Tinhead , the vaccine was essential to get through this , so , how do you guarantee as much as you can get your hands on , pre order ,come on ffs it's not rocket science lad ! Can they still fu** it up , you know they can !

could they actually be starting to learn , still not optimistic !

Following the results !
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It's just a prediction mainly based on how they send out reporters to individuals and we have to listen to their individual predicaments.
Don't take it too seriously

As for pre ordering doses, Spanky will find fault but thank **** that paid off


Edit
Admittedly the bit about the possibility of not being inoculated by injection was slim. Although I do remember a sugar cube being used for polio when I was a kid.
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They are beyond looking stupid now .
Something they have failed to be , since the start of the pandemic is , forward thinking , they have not been prepared for anything except how to line their donors and their own pockets
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   Old Thread  #4820 9 Jan 2021 at 5.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Why would it be different from pre-ordering millions of doses, which they did without criticism?
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I'm not using it as an argument, I did say it was a good idea. It's just my prediction on how the news would break.
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   Old Thread  #4818 9 Jan 2021 at 5.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That's a pretty poor argument.

They pre-ordered millions of doses without knowing if it would ever get licensed with no criticism whatsoever. Just about the only thing they've got right.
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I'm not saying that's not a good idea but can you imagine the headlines.

Government prepare for an imaginary vaccine that hasn't been invented.
When asked ministers said they had no idea when a vaccine will be invented, how long testing will take and can't even say if the vaccine will be even administered by injection but even so the government are recruiting retired GP's and army medics. Our reporter using social distancing has located Mr Smith in a small village somewhere in Smallville who has not practised in over X years to ask him what he thought........
Now back to the studio and we managed to contact one army doctor who didn't want to be named, he said he could not commit as he did not know where he would posted if and when a vaccine becomes available.
We asked the Health Minister for his reasoning but he was not available
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I phoned my local gp up on Monday regarding the flu jab and recieved it yesterday , my Dads just had his second flu jab , we seem to have a very efficient local gp , quite a rarity nowadays , especially in Bolton , my last one was horrendous , which i left after telling the managing GP that the practice was not fit for purpose and is costing lives !
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And yet... I did receive a call (voicemail - i was busy) from someone at the NHS last night who wanted to know my intentions regarding flu jab this year and that he'd call me back...

Perhaps he could be used to help with vaccine roll out instead of being told to phone me...
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Funnily enough,just had virtually the same conversation with my father in law.He was expecting a call asking to go help administer the vaccine and he is willing to but he has heard nothing
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Given all the unknown factors in this Covid pandemic, and the fact that criticism of the government's reaction to loads of things could realistically be 'how were they to know', WTF are they doing with the vaccine rollout?

One of the very few things we all (idiots excepted) hoped for was a vaccine. The govt could see it coming. They could talk to the scientists. They could plan its delivery.

So why on earth are they running around like headless chickens trying to recruit folk to administer it, getting bogged down in paperwork for retired medics, pharmacies not doing it one minute, doing it the next. My mother's in her 80s and she has no idea where she will have to go or how she will be notified. This could have been sorted months ago, leaving just the 'when' as the unanswered question. They've delegated the military to organise it, great, but why not tell them six months ago so they could have everything prepared in advance?

Edit: the French being **** at it is not an answer to the above.
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Interesting about Sweden's GDP. I wonder how it would've been affected if it had gone into lockdown? Would a lockdown really mean less of a GDP loss.




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   Old Thread  #4811 9 Jan 2021 at 3.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!

The importance of masks especially in an enclosed environment

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   Old Thread  #4810 9 Jan 2021 at 2.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Sure, but that's a different argument.

You'd need to have stats for loss in GDP to compare really. I don't know what they are.

I know you're not anti-lockdown Bob, and I don't remember you ever mentioning Article 24 of Gatt.

Edit - Found this:

Sweden's GDP fell more than its Nordic neighbours in the second quarter of 2020, dealing another blow to its lockdown-free coronavirus strategy.

Sweden's official statistics agency said that Sweden's GDP fell by 8.6% in Q2.

In comparison, Finland's statistics body said that its Q2 GDP was down 3.2%, and Denmark's said GDP there was down 7.4%.

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   Old Thread  #4809 9 Jan 2021 at 2.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Yeh, Sweden is a busted flush.
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Depending on how you look at the figures and the economic cost to the country some would say it wasn't the wrong path. We are all weary of lockdown but to them it would still be fresh?

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Let alone being late Sweden didn't even go into lockdown, so why are they fairing better?

The short answer is, they aren't fairing better. 900-odd deaths per million, compared with about 250 for Denmark and around 100 for Finland. They've admitted they got it wrong and are expected to introduce formal lockdown measures soon.

To the anti-lockdown crowd, Sweden's lack of formal lockdown is like Gatt Article 24 for the Brexit No Dealers ... they bang on about incessantly, then never mention it again once it proves to be cobblers.
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Do a search on Sweden and how they admitted , recently that they took the wrong path !
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Could be population density,could be less people moving in and out of the country.After the first lockdown was eased the amount of people I work with travelling back home to see family was crazy and no isolation when they returned here
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I tell you what hasn't brought up in a while.
Let alone being late Sweden didn't even go into lockdown, so why are they fairing better?
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Not with all the bull**** and lies on TV these days
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you should get a telly mate - much more fun...
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We were told alot of bull**** and then the government did not act quickly enough that has left us in this ****storm.I sit in my front room every night watching planes coming and going from Manchester Airport
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Looking like we are heading for around 2000 deaths per day by the end of next week and around 100 000 by the end of the month , we were told to expect around 20 000 total in spring !

Someone please awaken the 1922 committee please !
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Of course. Apparently a mischievous burn with the hot tea spoon Ďspoils the momentí though
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time for a brew as well there...
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Cheers all
I can safely say that there will be no more, well at least until the van is paid off because thereís only 3 seats
I was in a mask on the ward and in delivery suite but she did get a private room eventually where I took the bloody thing off. There were a lot of staff with noses poking over masks, so when in Rome...

Very funny Mal, but we started at 12.52 so I would never make it to 1
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I'm knackered by 9 nowadays , i think they missed that one Mal !

Well done , nice to have a bit of positive news !
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Well done mate
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Congrats!
Did you have to get fully PPEíd up for the delivery like the birthing partners on the ward my missus works on?
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congrats Noj, whens the next one
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they may have empty corridors, would you keep someone with a highly contagious disease in a corridor, if they are there taking pictures they need more than arresting!!! people dont get it, ITS SOCIAL DISTANCING!!, im changing clothes and ppe at work 4-5 times a day!! were running at half available staff due to shielding of work with covid etc
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Congratulations on the nipper!

Did you notice many intrepid citizen journalists outside the hospital getting arrested?
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Congrats Noj......

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Congratulations Jon, hope mother and little one are doing well
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I don't think keeping an eye on the time you finish is an effective means of contraception noj....







Congrats mate!
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Landmarks in your life pal, something to celebrate
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Cheers mate. Been a few weeks now, starting to think we shouldíve stopped at one
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Congratulations Jon

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Thereís strict visiting restrictions and those with covid will be on wards, which explains the corridors being empty. My missus just had a baby and it was a nightmare in terms of visiting
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Well, apparently Derbyshire police went to an accident, found a car on its roof due to the bad weather. Turns out it is a party from London, not the London bit, could be anywhere but how many ****ing miles!!!

Mindless ****ing idiots, should have drove off and left them, ****s

Apparently they will get a fine. Prison for a few weeks should have been a better option!

Makes fining people out walking 5 miles from their homes look pretty severe!
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So many hospitals empty too with no patients in corridors etc........people have filmed them, then get arrested......
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yes mate, it is directed towards those claims and it does a good job of helping people understand that they are untrue.

as you say, people will pick up on what they want. My point, to be honest, is something which doesnt need this article to help back up, but it highlights why there is less room because of all the biosecurity measures. Which apparently, if you believe claims, is all thrown out the window due to too many patients.

I have seen/heard the proposals to use spare beds in care homes for covid patients, the mind really does boggle!
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i guess I'd not read it that way

for me it undermined the whole 'there are less people in hospital' / NHS figures are down from last year' guff that I keep reading / hearing as it explains that the like for like comparison doesn't take into account the changed conditions and circumstances.

but i suppose deniers will always find ways of twisting things to suit their agenda ...
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problem with things like this is, is stokes up the deniers even more. When there are claims of covid patients on beds in the corridors and no room in wards, etc. and then you're told about all the protocol and stuff to ensure secure covid wards, or parts of wards. That doesn't add up...I know sometimes needs must but having unsecure covid positive patients is something every hospital will do their upmost to avoid due to the risks it carries. Sensationalist claims will always put doubt on the real facts of the matter. Deniers will have a field day.
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Yes worth a read
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found this interesting

throws some light on the wider context of NHS 'figures'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55536762
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Trio of ****s......

Spot on Bob, some people deserve to be fed once they bite in such aggressive ways.......

Easy fishing Scozza......
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   Old Thread  #4775 6 Jan 2021 at 7.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
3 'Seig heil Mary''s' (sic) should do it
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"" Hi I call myself Wayne, I try to be a bent out of shape troll everyday. I think I'm good at it but I know I'm funny""
You've just heard Wayne's confessional Jon

First steps to sorting the problem are always acceptance. Well done Wayne.
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Well I think he was great

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very good point

most of the kids I teach think he's an animated bulldog....
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He did make an exceedingly good

Cake?

Mr Rudyard Kipling

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The fact he helped the richer get richer and the poor get poorer, yes a typical Tory and racist. Geezer deliberately caused a famine in Bengal that killed thousands. Not even Tory behaviour that, just outright C*nty. However great anyone thinks he was, itís all through denial, he was an awful human being, a racist and murderer.

I suppose the longer it gets from his presence and as more generations couldnít give a monkeys and learn the real history, the more out of favour heís becoming and the truth surfaces. As it does with everyone snd everything.
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I've bailed Wayne out? Maybe tried to explain to others what's going on as they don't seem to understand.

Although I have never met Wayne he reminds me of a couple of other people I know, always ducking and diving and making you laugh when you shouldn't but you do anyway.
To me on Non Carp he comes across as just having a bit of a wind up, a bit of a game, says things he means and sometimes doesn't. I think some of us get it but some don't and just throw insults. Throwing insults can be part of a game and is what the Footie thread is built on but sometimes I think I can detect real animosity, if it's not then maybe the insults are outside the rules of the game?

Just for the record I've never had or sent a pm to Wayne. Our only conversations have been on this forums and one that existed many years ago.

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That's a typical Tory in your book, Winston Churchill.
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Waynes like that annoying itch on your ball sack , every now n then you have to put it right !

The number of times tinhead has bailed him out when he gets in a puddle ie , out of his depth , it's embarrassing !
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He did make an exceedingly good curry though , more like i locked him in my kitchen and fu**ed her off !
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A liberal MP with a Tory mindset.
A liberal MP with a liberal mindset.
A liberal MP with no mindset.

Take your pick. Itís really not very hard buddy.
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Interesting thoughts Wayne

I purposely posted a comment in post 4711 and in post 4715, 4716 and even 4717 I got the exact response I knew I would and was looking for lol, 3 consecutive posts, could be a record. I PMSL, still am

I thought about putting a bit more fuel on the fire but decided not to. Need to keep the posters blood pressure down in these testing times

I mean, look at Spanker, since his wife ran away with an Asian member of the north west Conservative party heís never been the same since, lot of anger going on there

Politics eh
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I can look after myself Jon, donít you worry about that.......trawl this thread and Iím pretty sure you wonít find any comments about you or your family dying......I only do personal insults face to face and have no need to edit my comments! Iím sure if you go back you can see your own comments or insults which means you lose the argument every time..

I post different angles to everyday bollox that you lot immerse yourselves in and none of you know my ACTUAL take on anything, which is just how I like it.....

If all you have is pulling me up on grammar then itís sad.....very sad......and I couldnít give a **** to be honest as Iím only here to feed you remember.......

If you canít take a joke then thatís your problem.......now **** off and.......
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To be honest I would have reigned it in but with spanky and Jon getting personal with the insults, same **** different day copy and paste I have decided to stay and feed them Until there overweight and will continue to going forward!
Have you got that in English?

AwwwÖ ickle wayney Ö what insults? Iím sure you can find them, Iíve never gone back and edited my comments, unlike you. Was it Ďmy friendsí or Ďmy familyí that you hoped would die of covid a few weeks ago?

Donít worry, the big boys have got your back, send a few pms and theyíll be along to back you up. Must make you feel a bit embarrassed though, no?

You post all sorts of cobblers, then dismiss it as a joke if it gets a bad reaction, like the Auschwitz memes. I really donít blame you, you donít have the ability to tell right from write, so anything more would be asking a bit too much.

Stay safe.

And donít forget Ė the use of lots of smileys in every post really does make your point much more convincing and not at all like a five year old with a potato printing kit.
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You sure?
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You wont know the results.

The same as you won't know what people that have had the vaccine die of, like my parents have, in the future when they pass away. What will 'those people' who have (temporarily..) taken control of our media say?

Ask yourself really basic questions and the answers are vague.
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They are preparing us for The Great Reset. Covid19 is a really just a vehicle they are using to push through thinly veiled socialism and communist agenda's. People aren't stupid though and see right through it. However 'Big Tech' (FB, Twitter etc etc etc) have the power to silence those who see it for what it is.

I'm not saying the virus doesn't exist, I'm saying the agenda is sailing on the back of it.

Bad actors are everywhere, we know there are some on this forum, they aren't actually even anglers.

Stay in your 4 walls, don't ask questions... this is how 10's of thousands of years of evolution has led us? Hmmmm....OK!
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So when he was a Tory MP he was a typical Tory. When he was an MP in opposition to the Tories what was he? I can't decipher your claptrap I'm afraid
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10 days now I've waited for my and daughters test results.in the mean time since xmas when she had 10 over for dinner. their mother has tested + her bloke + and took to hospital last night and put on oxygen (he was anti mask) both daughters brothers and their partners tested + daughters grandad tested +. I and my daughters are showing no symptoms but would be good to know the results..
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You just get that sinking feeling after the first initial feeling of optimism , you just know that they will find a way to fu** it up !

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Bit harsh Mal, Iím not being a knob Iím merely feeding the anti government animals who are hungry for food on this thread!

To be honest I would have reigned it in but with spanky and Jon getting personal with the insults, same **** different day copy and paste I have decided to stay and feed them Until there overweight and will continue to going forward!

Finally something I agree with from spanky, worldwide civil unrest.......planned by the elite though!


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Funnily enough just had that convo with a colleague. There are hospitals throwing doses away at the end of the day due to them going unused on staff. Should be an afternoon call out for anyone to go get it if there is any going spare.
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They should turn all the drive through testing centres into vaccine distribution centres, stop sticking cotton buds up peoples hooters and start sticking needles in 'em
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Back to the Covid ... Well done to the government for setting a really high target for vaccinations ... Fingers crossed they deliver on it.
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Pretty sure most of the people that highlight the total incompetence of the government ARE following the rules and working together. Or is it the deniers of government stupidity believe that if you criticise the public servants that you automatically follow none of the rules and go around spreading covid??
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ill happily scrutinise the profits from a covid free world, hopefully !!
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Nationalism is a great tool that's used to keep the masses on board , just don't scrutinize how the profits are made !
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   Old Thread  #4748 6 Jan 2021 at 11.22am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And thatís the problem they wonít stop criticising and work together.
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   Old Thread  #4747 6 Jan 2021 at 11.13am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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and it's lapped up by the "he's british through and through, we have to support him" brigade.
you know the ones, sitting there in their house full of german and chinese tech, sipping a european lager, playing on their chinese phone, looking at their german car and eating their the nations favourite dish, a curry. All whilst forgetting he's so british his dad is calling on his french heritage to avoid the new EU visas
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   Old Thread  #4746 6 Jan 2021 at 11.09am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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mindset and where you work dont HAVE to correlate, quite clearly it didnt, hence he moved to the tories.

Very very narrow minded of you to think that people cant and arent allowed to change their jobs or minds
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That typical he was a Liberal MP for many years and a minister in a Liberal government
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Agreed , undeniable , but at the time he had to be built into something that the Uk could get behind and support ,

Sound familiar !
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Churchill was a typical tory, let the rich hoard at the expense of the poor... quite literally he caused the famine in Bengal.
He was also very racist.

Both undeniable facts
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so allowing people to come in from abroad without being tested or forced to quarantine has helped fight the spread of covid19 in the country?

It's a massive part of it, similarly letting people out to spread it to other places. Everywhere that hard closed borders and implemented compulsory quarantines is doing how much better than us?

All power to you for refusing to acknowledge facts and statistics, just don't expect anyone to take you seriously
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Churchill was perceived to be a buffoon , but proved people wrong , would we of won with a Labour government , course we would !

Boris has proved that he is a buffoon , if this was wwII now , it would be all over , Boris's herd immunity plan would of equated too , let them invade Poland , France , Czechoslovakia , we will be ok or like the majority of Tory's at the time , make a pact with them ,or for Boris, hide in a fridge and hope the nasty man goes away !
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   Old Thread  #4740 6 Jan 2021 at 10.36am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thatís a very important point none of us have lived with this virus before itís all new and I really hope that we are able to get on top of it the worldís in a mess Our lives I donít think will ever be the same again as someone said stop criticising and work together to beat it
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   Old Thread  #4739 6 Jan 2021 at 10.30am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I didnít say huge I said the borders should have been closed in March but thatís only my opinion I could be wrong as people have said we all make mistakes
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We are entering an era that none of us have lived through before , the end of the American empire , everything is going to change as the Chinese then India surpass the gdp of America and it could get very ugly , the economists say that when the dollar collapses as the world currency and it will , the hit to the average American will amount to around 30 % of their income ,the combined effect of this and the covid debt is going to last for decades , by next summer , as the economic impact starts to bite , the riots seen in so many countries against what people perceive as corrupt capitalism will spread , i see this as inevitable now , if ever i wanted to be wrong it's now !
We need a leader like Atlee now , what he did was not far off a miracle , just what we need now !

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no i dont think they have made huge **** ups, i think they're doing ok not perfect but ok
what im saying about churchill is he was looked at the same as boris is at one point not able toto do the job.
As is the british way though its easier to complain than look at the positives. Im frustrated at how the efforts are not appreciated we always want more, i dont feel there was anyone who could have done a better job, and i feel i have a fairly good perspective from working on positive covid wards and a single parent lifestyle.
stay safe
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So you admit they have made a huge **** up but still say theyve done the best job possible??

What does churchill have to do with anything? or whether I was alive or not?
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Your right the boarders should have been closed in March and full lockdown in the autumn but they was trying to juggle again with the Xmas spending for business when Churchill was in government things where good do you agree
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think we are all having the same experience arent we? Not sure anyone has missed the monumental mistake of not closing the borders and for a year refusing to do so.

Churchill is looked back on fondly because people dont want to remember the horrendous stuff he did...rose tinted glasses arent reality, the facts are there even if people choose not to acknowledge them

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Agreed , we all expect the odd mistake , everyone makes them , it's the corruption and lies , i know that there has always been corruption and lies , but not on the scale that we are seeing now !
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Well said I grew up with Churchill in government there just people and like us all they make mistakes depends what your experience is
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Looks like my Dad was one of the lucky ones , he has had his second dose of the vaccine yesterday !
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its ok we as a nation can rally and protest that we want to be individuals and make our own decisions but when it all goes wrong were reserve the right to blame those who govern the country. Its no different from those who do and dont govern the country instead of standing together as political parties they choose to criticize everything that the other party say or do, its a playground attitude.
Putting it into perspective the government have to govern the country normal day to day stuff and then along comes covid and they have to deal with that on top of the normal day to day stuff, similar to anyone have a normal life and and balancing everything that comes with that and then being asked to oversee and run another families life on top of their own with no additional help.
People need to stop whinging accept that this is the way it is at the moment and pull in the same direction it can be dissected afterwards
Churchill made many many significant mistakes in his early career and look how hes looked back on now, its not about my political choosing for me its about an individual whos going above and beyond in his desire to do the right thing for everyone despite getting lack of support and criticism from many areas.
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So youíre lumping together the government and matt Hancock with a load of other private businesses and teams that have nothing to do with them so you can praise them?

I mean Iím not wasting my time tbh.
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   Old Thread  #4727 6 Jan 2021 at 8.11am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Of course the government didnít make the vaccine they make sure it happens I said Matt Hancock and his team meaning drug companies scientists all together meaning health under one umbrella and others sorting out wages and juggling the virus against business opening to earn money and sorting out kids education and on top of this sorting out brexit and dealing with catching the virus ther selves
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Good for you. But you do know if you think something it doesnít mean itís necessarily true right?
Like you think the government made a vaccine when it didnít
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Brilliant timing.
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Tier 5 restrictions revealed , Boris reportedly said , i know my best mate was involved in the making , but it still represent's great value for money @ £ 3 million per item !


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Iíve spoke to a lot of armchair politicians criticising people doing there best anyway at the end of the day I donít care what people think only what I think
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Itís not only Wayne though Mal , peace and love brother .
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   Old Thread  #4721 5 Jan 2021 at 9.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'd agree. Incredibly right wing. And those 13 years that include Blair were just as damaging if not quite so openly 'tory'

I wear my 'do gooder' badge with pride. Right next to my snowflake rosette.

And bivvybug. .. when Wayne makes comments about boris and Co, we all know he's just being a knob to try and get a reaction. Worryingly it looks like you might really mean it! Honours for making decisions that have cost thousands of lives?
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I think someone might be confusing Libertarian with Liberal.

In my 50 odd years I dont think we have been more conservative, right wing , more individualistic society than now. The press is mostly right wing. The Tories have a huge majority. We have had Brexit. IDS and Universal Credit has ruined lives. Disabled and terminally I'll dieing due to.lack of food etc. Food banks are at a record high. Unions smashed and vilified. Labour have only been in power for about 13 years of the last 45 or so.

The press might like to fake outrage at 'woke do gooders'. That they are ruining the country
But apart from some mental Trans nonsense and some blowhards on Twitter
The liberal elite decide absolutely nothing.

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   Old Thread  #4719 5 Jan 2021 at 8.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Actually, that's where Dido Harding's been - making vaccine in her shed. She's just a very modest lady so she gave the recipe to Oxford University.

I see Nadhim Zahawi, the vaccine minister, set up a medical company with his wife in the summer, despite his previous experience being in property management. Good lad, plenty of room at the trough.

I agree with Ocelot. I think the phrase 'do-gooder' becoming an insult was pretty indicative of things going in the wrong direction.
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Fair enough and yep there's certainly more than we're just an island of ****s, even if it feels like that
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   Old Thread  #4717 5 Jan 2021 at 7.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Iím sorry but please tell me you donít think the government created the vaccine?
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Iím not even sorry for double posting. It deserves a quadruple post tbh
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   Old Thread  #4714 5 Jan 2021 at 7.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I meant I agree what you said then separately I was making another point thereís a lot of pieces to this pie
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No I'm saying the promotion of individualism has degraded the sense and spirit of community. I've explained where that's been promoted. Being a good samaritan/sacrifice for others has nothing to do with self discipline per se.
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   Old Thread  #4712 5 Jan 2021 at 7.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I agree what you are saying is that people have no self discipline in this country and thatís down to the liberals to much asking not enough telling you canít do that itís against there human rights they have had io much voice over the years making it into a nanny state then when you get a crisis like this thereís no discipline
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Well said
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"" I'm aware i sound like a broken record, but you don't and haven't all year needed someone to tell you to be more socially restrictive as a world were aware of the risks of mixing socially, that's why there has been an increase in cases, because people mixed socially not because it wasn't managed by any particular government this applies to all parts of the world, look at countries with low results, as a community they shared the responsibility and acted accordingly, we haven't as a country we needed to be told to isolate because we couldn't make the decision for ourselves.""

I don't disagree with you mate, but why is this the case in the UK?
For the majority of the last 40 year's we've had the promotion of individualism from elected leader's. No such thing as a society being trumpeted by the doyen of modern conservatism, her mugs on the wall of her disciples. You can't turn off then expect to turn on mass giving a fook about others, personal sacrifice for the good of nation etc. You blame individuals, ultimately it is, there's more to it in my book and it is political, we haven't always been that way in this country thankfully.
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Best thing for people who criticise them is to put your name forward to take the job on see how you get on the government have done a fantastic job and Matt Hancock and his team have done a fantastic job with the vaccine they should all be given a honour when itís all over not some agent or driving a car round a track the reason we are hear on this forum talking tonight is because of them without them we would be in our graves
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Blokes done a grand job.......Brexit and dealing with Covid like he has......love ya Boris....
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The only conclusion that i can come to is that there are some on here that love Boris soooooo much they don't mind him pulling their pants down !!!!

You know who you are !
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Canít imagine why anyone would think the government have done a good job when itís clear they havenít. To put it in a different scenario, if you employed someone to do your kitchen up, they sub contracted to their mates who didnít even turn up and used most of the budget up. Then when it did get done it was sub standard with loads of issues, they then claimed they could fix it with a super special new products which may or may not work that well in the long term and your kitchen will be finished in 2 months but only IF they can apply the products quick enough and IF they work properly but itís doubtful itíll all go through that quickly.

You telling me youíd be happy with those contractors??

Mind boggles. Tory government needs to go on rogue traders IMO.
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I occasionally rode one to the pub Noj old boy ! a dutch warm blood , crazy fu**ing thing ! never known one not to drink when it's thirsty though !
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You can lead a horse to water...
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I will always listen to good advice when it's there ! sadly noj has had nothing that i would class as good advice !
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I have a bit of advice for you , i don't know how old you are , but as you get older your memory fades , sound familiar ? , it might be a good idea to keep a little note book , pad, to write things down so you don't forget them !
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You should take Noj's advice he gave you the other day.
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Over the next week , we will regain our number 1 spot regarding covid deaths in Europe , we watched it taking hold in Italy , Spain and France as 1000's died , we had the warning , but at that very time , and i'm telling you this for the 8th time now , Boris's herd immunity , just to make sure that the uk got it's full dose , we even invited them over as Liverpool hosted Madrid !

Buffoonery of the highest order !
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Let's hope we get another warm spring like last year to assist and speed up the end of this covid sh**storm , as long as we dont get any strains of the virus being immune to the vaccine i think things will start to return to normality !
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Who will be caught out this time ???

Most MPs from all over the UK along with the rich and famous i imagine.......
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and no im not defending cummings at all he should have gone instantly without any recourse anyone in that position should be the role model
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while i agree it could have been managed better by those in power as a country we were aware that there was a different variant emerging, did the public reduce their interactions with others thinking this will be the safest option for me, no as a whole they didn't, because they weren't told to ? I'm amazed we don't have more people crossing the road without looking or jumping off bridges because there are not signs telling them that this would be a dangerous pastime.
The excuse of we weren't told to reduce our social interaction holds little water, especially when restrictions are introduced some moan that were in a nanny state cant have it both ways
For me its really simple if you don't follow the rules you get fined, and not little fines significant fines that hurt and if you cant pay the fine jail time, as an adult I'm able to make decisions and understand there are rules and accept the consequence if i break them. I'm aware i sound like a broken record, but you don't and haven't all year needed someone to tell you to be more socially restrictive as a world were aware of the risks of mixing socially, that's why there has been an increase in cases, because people mixed socially not because it wasn't managed by any particular government this applies to all parts of the world, look at countries with low results, as a community they shared the responsibility and acted accordingly, we haven't as a country we needed to be told to isolate because we couldn't make the decision for ourselves.
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Are people trying to defend what Cummings did in spring ! honestly ????

The man who made the rules , got caught out , and not just a little bit and not just once , and to then go sight seeing , beyond fu**ing belief ! please tell me , how can you defend this , this for me is when millions thought , fu** this , i'm off out !

But for the whole sorry pathetic bunch of them then to try and defend him

Who will be caught out this time ???
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Around 14th October it was obvious we were heading in a dangerous direction and by the second week in November the evidence proved that the new variant was more transmissible than the existing , with or without the new variant we were heading for another lockdown maybe a 2 week delay without the new variant , other countries without the new variant have a similar trajectory to ours (without the new variant ) but locked down earlier !

We were warned that if you let the virus get a foothold , the more cases = the more chances of a new variant occurring if any country was to let it get out of control it was going to be Boris and co !
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new variant was known about in September......
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When the variant was announced some said it was conveniently concocted to save face for the change of Christmas plans. Now most of those people do actually believe it exists.
As for lockdowns you turn on the TV and people saying from a medical point of view we should have lockdowns then on the same programme they switch to someone who's suffering under the new tiers and a lockdown will bust them, then they report queues for vaccinations, so should we give up on them then? Whatever happens you can't please everyone.
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double post occurrence !
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Well done New Zealand , 0 recorded cases for 2 weeks , 22 covid deaths since the start of the pandemic , A leader who inspires confidence and trust , can we swap ,,,, please !
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Good to see the french rolling out vacinations..........All 500 in one week...........
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I was just asking, not saying we are the worst, just one of. Just pointing out that surely having no tests because no-one has symptoms is better than having loads of test being carried out on loads of symptomatic people, especially when they come back positive?
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Aimed at no one in particular but on here and on social media its the same story they haven't managed it at all, bunch of muppets etc, yes there are some politicians and the rich and famous who have flouted the rules that doesn't mean they all have, it would be the exact same response to anyone else who was in power at that time. The public need to look at themselves they know the risks when going out but choose to ignore them and the price is then paid by everyone else in tighter restrictions being put in place and the virus spreading. What any government in any country is responding to is unprecedented, anyone can whinge about it and say its crap etc or you can get on with it listen to what's being said take advice and isolate as much as you can, whats the worst that will happen if you do, certainly better than becoming positive.
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i'd rather have the bloody groundhog in charge

we should've locked down over Christmas as soon as the new variant showed it's teeth and the scientific community began suggesting it. the tier system hasn't worked to stop the spread - but we live in a country where people are still too selfish to do what's right for others. driving to lower tier areas for the pub, moaning about masks, whinging about not being able to go to the gym / pub, repeatedly starting threads that say 'can we still go fishing' ffs...



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   Old Thread  #4682 5 Jan 2021 at 8.55am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Its like Groundhog Day but the Bill Murray character learns **** all
In 9 months.
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My post was a reply to Spanker's we are the worst at dealing with covid.
Each point can be singled out and made to a fit an agenda, it happens all the time on these type of threads.
You've made a counter point to why you think we are the worst. If that's what you think then so be it.
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Just as a question, what are you counting as ďbeing the bestĒ at testing? The amount of tests being carried out? Because that doesnít work out. Technically the least amount of tests being carried out the better because most (not all) countries have told their population to only get a test if they have symptoms. So if you have less of the virus in the population the less tests are carried out. If you had 4 people getting a test a day because they have symptoms, thatís better than 40,000 is it not? (Disclaimer: I do know there are asymptomatic people too)

They tried to swing it in to a way that made them look good but in reality itís the opposite.
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Too many folk are well up on their rights but a bit shy when it comes to responsibilities.

I blame the parents. Or the teachers

Trouble is, you need the police to make the idiots behave, but if they do, you'll have thousands complaining it's a police state and they're being heavy handed.

During the first lockdown there was a rule here that you couldn't go more than 200m from your home for exercise. I know someone who got stopped by the police ... Id card shown, with address. Police get on Google earth ... 'That's 400 m away madam, and a 280 EUR fine'. She was outraged. I thought it was hilarious. By the time she'd spent a few hours moaning on social media, I'm sure plenty of people took notice and didn't wander too far from home. Job done. But I'd much rather have British police.

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Yep

There was a doctor on the radio the other day who put it simply

Stop blaming the virus and instead blame people. He had a very good point.

On schools... a ****ing farce but no surprise there. Gavin Williamson Can **** off. Head teachers, guided by scientific evidence, etc. Went for online learning before Christmas and he threatened them with legal action. Over the last few days he's made one brainless statement and policy after another. He's a ****ing joke. Now apparently exams are cancelled (only a couple of months behind the Welsh and the Scots there..) except for - and you couldn't make this up - vocational qualifications. That is, the qualifications that require more practical, hands on, in school assessment. He's a ****ing tool. Instead of having head teachers trying to second guess his brilliant mass testing plan over their Christmas holidays, he should have listened to people who actually know what they are talking about and let them plan for the online learning that has to start tomorrow. Parents, teachers and kids messed about and put at risk because he doesn't have a clue and blindly refuses to listen. ****.

Trouble is now that they've cocked up so many times there's much less goodwill. Hopefully people will see past the clowns and instead see the NHS and care staff who are still cleaning up their mess

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Italy should be by far the worst in Europe given the fact that it was battered by covid earlier in the year with no warning, the fact that it has the oldest population in Europe, and a much higher population density, given it has a population similar to the UK, a comparable area, but half the country is bloody mountains.
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Though strangely of the regular posters on this thread the only one to openly admit to being out and getting so wasted they vaguely remembered a song being played on the dance floor... was mr. Take it seriously... YOU

Boris is clearly a blabbering idiot with a posse of little public school boys up his ringer, but it was not them out sneezing on 60k+ people a day.. No, it was the selfish ******* people themselves.
Weíve been in some form of lockdown for the best part of a year and people still struggle to make their own adult decisions about cleanliness and use of ppe.
We are in this ****, as are the states, because we are overpopulated and lack sufficient authority to enforce common sense practice.
You can politicise school policy, etc. But the spread is down to people in the community
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You can follow the rules without agreeing with them mate. Be that timing, reason or the rules themselves. Believe me no one wanted the country to be in this position regardless of rosette colour.
Did Johnson mention what makes this variation more transmissible and what measures personally we're currently taking aren't working?
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I'm not saying it's great by any means but I don't think it's the worst response.
In Europe Italy's death toll per one million is worse than ours. We are about level with Spain depending on the day of the week.
Our testing is one of the best in Europe far better than Germany who are normally the European benchmark
We are the highest when it comes to vaccinations.

Anyway to repeat my first line....
I'm not saying it's great by any means but I don't think it's the worst response.



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I have to admit,I totally agree with you.They have completely and utterly ****ed this up big time and will continue to do so
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Yes absolutely , the lads done a sterling job ,

What do people not understand

Boris has overseen the worst ,,,,, worst covid response in the world when you add the economic impact with deaths

Please tell me what they did a good job of , because i'm just not seeing it !

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Agree re Boris, the armchair critics should maybe take a look at what the have done for their country but I'd guess sweet naff all.
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I think that the majority of people on here have treated it far more seriously than those telling us what to do , i know i have , leading us to where we are now , worst covid response in the world , when you combine the death rate and economic impact !

Sorry to contradict you , but you can't polish a turd !

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Everybody is an expert I just feel that their doing there best and could do with the support of the nation, I thought he looked old and tired itís not political for me itís just doing as Iím asked by who leads my country
Whichever party it was, and as said before Iím speaking from experience as an NHS worker who still has weeks of annual leave left to use as I havenít been able to take it due to the workload so please... stay home do as youíre asked it will pass and weíll get through
Well most of us will not everyone will this is really serious it kills and leaves people alone without a family member, itís not an easy job trying to sort it for the whole country so letís just back what weíre being asked to do now, far more important than any if the clapping last year
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To send kids back for a day , count that as another u turn i reckon

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Edited as Jon explained it
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What an absolute bunch of useless ****s run this country,my daughter goes back to school mixing with loads of other children for the sake of one day.Well done bumbling ballbag Boris 👏
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the main point of the SAGE meeting today ,

We have to rely on the same set of tools to beat the virus

A cruel but honest summing up of Boris and co
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At this rate the coronavirus could replace him and keep us safer from it
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The fact half the world have nicknamed us ďplague islandĒ speaks volumes.
Hancock saying heís gravely worried about the South African mutation getting here but the borders remaining wide open to anyone also speaks volumes.

Absolute ****show
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Who would replace him though ! they are all fu**ing useless , Starmer is a wet fa*t
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Yep it truly has been an epic , sad ,pathetic attempt , other countries now look to see what our response to the latest developments regarding covid , just to make sure they are not doing anything remotely similar !

You are not really in front of events by stating that a lockdown is about to be announced today ,,,,, today !

What i will forecast though , they will fu** many more things up due to their corruption and Boris's can't be fu**ing ar*ed attitude , the smug arrogant di**head !

Track n trace would of been nice

More ventilators ,Boris's promise that they were going to provide 1000's from dyson and jcb ???

Our press and media have a lot to answer for , they made this fu**wit electable and the electable man unelectable !

Can't believe people are panic buying again !
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Most helpful covid19 measure Boris could announce today is his resignation
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   Old Thread  #4659 4 Jan 2021 at 5.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think both vaccines offer better protection than was expected. I think around 60% is still enough to develop herd immunity once they get it rolled out. There are others in the pipeline too. You can tell the govt have had bugger all to do with the vaccine development, it's all gone way better than expected.

I think the massive early order was a good move ... even if the vaccine turned out to be rubbish they would only have wasted a fraction of what they have spent of the non-functioning test and trace system, let alone useless ppe from mates etc etc etc

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that's a fair point

but if it is as less effective as stated from the testing then is the financial saving worth it at the expense of more lives lost? I know that's an impossible question - just playing devil's advocate.

the massive order was placed before test results and costs were made public which is where my recently developed cynicism came from i guess...

JCB as in the big yellow diggers? are they doing a vaccine too?

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loads more of the less effective Oxford vaccine ordered than the more effective Pfizer one. Jobs for the boys maybe? Can't be a decision based on any kind of medical / scientific advice can it?

I think it might just be a good decision! the Oxford vaccine is a hell of a lot cheaper than the Pfizer jab, and the fact that it can be transported/stored in normal fridges means it's going to be a lot easier to get into millions of people

Mind you, this may well change once JCB launch their vaccine.
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Who knows as we donít see all the facts apart from spanky of course......

Full lockdown again being announced tonight......although spanky probably knew this yesterday.......
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rats and sinking ships come to mind?

Scotland in lockdown from tonight - how many more deaths / infections before Boris has his next knee jerk reaction and follows suit?

loads more of the less effective Oxford vaccine ordered than the more effective Pfizer one. Jobs for the boys maybe? Can't be a decision based on any kind of medical / scientific advice can it?

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Oi oi. Southern members of Parliament off to their holiday homes
Right now I should imagine.
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your all wrong'uns
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**** off
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The point normally,dopey ********
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Get your own words for describing peopleís knowledge.......

You really have lost it.......insults a plenty to everyone who dont agree with you, Iím right, your wrong attitude, links to Facebook frank bull****.......your like a bad smell that wont go away......
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Have I missed something?
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Yep , you more than others , a lot more than others , the font of the majority of bull**it on here ! Billy bull**** , take a bow !
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Why you an others need Putting straight........
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Indeed. ***** seemed unsuitable and **** is forbidden.
Got my mask on thanks and didnít go out dancing round handbags when I had the opportunity like you did
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   Old Thread  #4644 3 Jan 2021 at 2.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Petty insult removed , well done !

Wear a mask !
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   Old Thread  #4643 3 Jan 2021 at 1.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You donít correct anything, son.
You spout the same negative crap over and over while offering no alternatives. So my old son, grow up, jog on and stop trying to provoke responses from people comfortable enough with their political stance to discuss it like grown ups
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   Old Thread  #4642 3 Jan 2021 at 12.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Noj lad , you have just proven why you and others need putting straight occasionally , where would we be if nobody corrected the bullsh** on here ! it would be just like watching the BBC hosting Boris , don't take it personally , it's not like you get charged or anything for the privilege
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   Old Thread  #4641 3 Jan 2021 at 11.23am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I did.. but ocelot picked it up
Iím not sure gdp at a time where wages have been capped by government and businesses have been crippled is fair. Obviously a fair point though and Iím not here to defend anyone believe it or not, just sick of comrade spanker
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   Old Thread  #4640 3 Jan 2021 at 10.52am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'll take a step onto that soapbox Noj
I'd say a critical measure of how any government have handled covid-19 is economic. As you mention Australia -3.8% GDP for 2020. Here's a few more USA-5.3%, Japan-5.3%, Germany-5.5%, Italy -9.1%. The UK -11.2%.....
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   Old Thread  #4639 3 Jan 2021 at 10.43am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hope you dropped the mic at the end of that Noj.......
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   Old Thread  #4638 3 Jan 2021 at 10.16am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #4637 3 Jan 2021 at 10.09am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Top post Jon I can relate to much of that
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   Old Thread  #4636 3 Jan 2021 at 9.09am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well they plan to vaccinate all the vulnerable people, with no mention of under 55s or those without underlying conditions.. apparently then we can get back to normal? Wether itís by vaccination, mass infection in the healthier population or a combination of the two then as Iíve said previously herd immunity is the only viable plan, just dressed up differently. The world population is too selfish or dumb to eradicate a virus by way of isolation.. The likes of NZ and AUS who did it, they may have minimal cases but they are now cut off from the rest of the world; thatís $60bn+ that Australia alone are missing in tourism which is not viable long term. Itís also easier to achieve when you are a distant holiday destination rather than a central hub for business and transport.
Youíll notice I never promote a particular party or politician, so I donít know why you have me down as conservative... Iím actually liberal minded, green leaning in terms of ecological conservation and tory leaning financially; that is Iíd rather use the business and assets we have to turn a profit under high paid executives than nationalise and allow the unions to get a foot in the door and kill off said companies. Selling off to the Chinese and India I hear you say from your soap box, yes many businesses are owned by foreign investors... the same investors who keep people in work, food on our tables, fuel in our vehicles, materials for us to build etc.
If only life were as simple and poetic as the old hovis advert, lad in tíflat cap walking tíhill for tísupper.

Iím sure you have something to say worth reading sometimes, itís just impossible to get past all the repetitive drivel.. doomed I tell you.. dooooomed!
You give no alternatives or explanations, just criticism and Facebook links
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   Old Thread  #4635 2 Jan 2021 at 10.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Left me standing, like a naughty schoolboy
Hello-hooray, there's a price to pay, to the Eton rifles, Eton rifles
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   Old Thread  #4634 2 Jan 2021 at 10.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Come on Bradders , your better than that lad , all you got ?

Tin head , usual catalyst , then you fu** off home for your tea !

Just waiting for noj now , give him a few more days !
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   Old Thread  #4633 2 Jan 2021 at 10.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It's lose by the way not loose.If you are going to be our future leader please don't make silly mistakes.You don't want to look like Boris do you
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   Old Thread  #4632 2 Jan 2021 at 10.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Maybe if you were to step back a little and only commented from time to time maybe we'd listen to you more but your full onslaught on how you are right all the time and anyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong has left you with just a few die hard's that will actually listen. Just ask yourself with all the active carpforum members on here why do so few comment on what you, me and the handful of others say on this thread?
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   Old Thread  #4631 2 Jan 2021 at 9.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Classic foot in your mouth scenario by the master , thanks billy !

Font of Government knowledge is our spanky! Itís easy to say we should of could of would of without knowing facts about the virus!

So , Boris's classic , regarding herd immunity , doesn't make you loose confidence , what about you two , noj , tinhead ?

Setting us off down a path that cost 1000's of lives because he didn't listen to the experts
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   Old Thread  #4630 2 Jan 2021 at 9.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
As some wag said:

At this point I'm beginning to suspect that the Govt is actually
Working with the Virus.
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   Old Thread  #4629 2 Jan 2021 at 9.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Noj , gone off half cocked there lad , the point i was making , the recurring point is ,,,, they keep promising what they can't deliver , early into the pandemic last year , just after the "herd immunisation " debacle , the Boris promise was,,, one of many unfulfilled promises , you should look them up it's getting beyond a joke noj lad !

"We will have coronavirus beaten by summer" !

That was his promise to us early last year ! now , i , knowing that he is full of sh** like many other populist leaders that the world seems to be plagued with at the moment , didn't believe him and many months ago posted my views on here , to be ridiculed by people like you and tinhead and the long forgotten butterballs or whatever his name was . Sadly , my predictions were right and you were wrong ! this is the most incompetent corrupt bunch this country has ever seen , thanks bradders for thinking i could do a better job than Boris ,not really a compliment though , i dont know you , but i would put you in number 10 before this kcirp !

Just finished eating my left over Turkey pie noj lad !

Before you go off half cocked , yep , Blair was a tw** too !



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   Old Thread  #4628 2 Jan 2021 at 6.38pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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**** Jon the dog whisperer........

Most definitely not Bob......the blokes bordering extremism........
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   Old Thread  #4627 2 Jan 2021 at 6.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Mix and match vaccinations and delaying the second dose... both recommended by the governments advisors.... also both categorically classed as not recommended and not effective by manufacturers of the vaccines and the entire medical and virology world.

Theyíve gone from ďfollowing the scienceĒ to completely and utterly ignoring it!

Not sure how anyone can sit around and say Boris is doing a good job when he is is literally going against manufacturer advice.

When is the employer vote of no confidence occurring because Iím sure there is enough
of his to table one and get him sacked. Not that there is anyone sensible to step in.