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   Old Thread  #3307 3 Jul 2020 at 2.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Iíd just hope the staff arenít getting steaming and can keep things in check. I have also seen more security and if you are clearly too drunk to keep doing proper social distancing and all of that they are turfing out. Suppose it depends how sensible they are. Booking time slots for a table stops people getting too drunk.

I think thereís a false illusion that pubs opening means itíll be the same as it was before all this kicked off. Most of my local pubs arenít showing the footy to ensure behaviour doesnít get rowdy.
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   Old Thread  #3306 3 Jul 2020 at 2.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Most of the pubs have put in plenty of measures, most forced by government like the 2 household rule but plenty have gone over and above. Temperatures checks, table bookings, etc.

And once the lagers a flowing lol
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   Old Thread  #3305 3 Jul 2020 at 2.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Nice to see that some people care more about the virus spreading than they do money...

Most of the pubs have put in plenty of measures, most forced by government like the 2 household rule but plenty have gone over and above. Temperatures checks, table bookings, etc.
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   Old Thread  #3304 3 Jul 2020 at 2.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Pubs open tomorrow

Get ready

It will be mental
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   Old Thread  #3303 3 Jul 2020 at 1.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Had a couple of inches off mine last night.

Still got enough to keep us all warm though...
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   Old Thread  #3302 3 Jul 2020 at 1.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Damn I wanted to go a minute after midnight, stay until the barbers open, have a haircut and then go back to the pub
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   Old Thread  #3301 3 Jul 2020 at 1.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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apparently they can open from 6.00 a.m. .....

we should run a sweepstake for the first photo's of muppets queueing outside at 5.55...

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   Old Thread  #3300 3 Jul 2020 at 9.17am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'm sure it will be difficult for them, especially if the weather's good and there are lots of customers, but you're right, the opportunity to make some money after months of being closed should far outweigh any negatives.
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   Old Thread  #3299 3 Jul 2020 at 8.01am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Pubs open tomorrow you'd think all the publicans would be happy, no there's always one, there's one on tv complaining that opening on a Saturday the busiest day is a bad idea.
Mate if you can't cope open on Monday
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   Old Thread  #3298 2 Jul 2020 at 11.57am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #3297 2 Jul 2020 at 11.52am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I saw this on the news last night but it's really a non-story though because they then went on to say that the drug we actually have plenty of (dexamethasone), is a fraction of the cost and is actually much better at saving lives
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   Old Thread  #3296 1 Jul 2020 at 9.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/30/us-buys-entire-stock-coronavirus-drug-remdesivir-12925452/

you reckon Bill Gates has got a garage full?
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   Old Thread  #3295 30 Jun 2020 at 1.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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All the threads seem to be right or left, with little in between
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   Old Thread  #3294 30 Jun 2020 at 1.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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hope this is still the right thread

No you need start another one this one is politics, history and superiority complex thread
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   Old Thread  #3293 30 Jun 2020 at 1.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/30/non-essential-shops-closed-today-leicester-12920228/?ito=push-notification&ci=20780&si=9412819

lots more potential areas....?

hope this is still the right thread
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   Old Thread  #3292 30 Jun 2020 at 1.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I refer you to my post 3278 and if you don't agree I'd prefer it if we don't get drawn into a long drawn debate which I'm finding increasingly tiring, that's a generalisation on here and not towards you
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   Old Thread  #3291 30 Jun 2020 at 12.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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hmmm....

you could be right there fishie


unfortunately if the great british public have shown anything re c-19 in recent weeks it's that they won't give a monkeys about Leicester being locked down if they can still get p****d and fight a copper on a beach....
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   Old Thread  #3290 30 Jun 2020 at 12.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Anyone got any news about coronavirus?

Apparently itís still here, still taking lives and impacting on society. But you wouldnít believe it listening to the news - demonstrations, parties, beaches and celebrations - but having said that no spikes from Easter and May bank holidays and still nothing from BLM and the others.

Leicester is under the microscope at the moment and itís been going on since the beginning of June! Is this a case of ignoring it hoping it would go away, herd immunity or the chance now to try new shutdown measures to see how the public handle it?

I am not a Covid denyer, but itís strange that this has happened now, and not before, to try to dampen the weekend free for all 😷😷😷
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   Old Thread  #3289 30 Jun 2020 at 12.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Like everything else on here it evolves....


If we're being picky about English as a language I'd argue the point that it devolves into the usual 'bloody foreigners' tripe.

Anyone got any news about coronavirus?

Scozza - I'm with you on the marketing aspect of pubs etc. Public health has become far less important than money over recent weeks. Looks like the new normal is a case of same as before after all....

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   Old Thread  #3288 30 Jun 2020 at 12.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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We need to get our policies right. This might happen now were are out of the EU

I am all for it. Its also called selective hearing in a lot of cases, seen it MANY times. Sorry, don't understand, They certainly do when it comes to critical points in a conversation

Costs the country a fortune in interpreters. Lock one up, claims he cant speak English, call in support, few hours later, guess what, hes near on pretty fluent!

That's just ticked your box home sunshine and here the costs to go with it

Commit certain crimes, home you go
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   Old Thread  #3287 30 Jun 2020 at 12.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yeah, but that doesnít say anything about people born here not learning English, that just what you decided it meant. It refers to segregated communities where people have migrated to this country do not need to interact outside of their native tongue. It was mentioned these communities are mainly from countries such as Pakistan, India, etc. And mainly women too.

Thereís a surprising graphic going around on the daily fail, but using government data, which shows that leicester has had 70 new cases in two weeks...a total of under 1500. Many more places have had a higher % increase. Link
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   Old Thread  #3286 30 Jun 2020 at 12.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No **** sherlock hence all the smilies

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   Old Thread  #3285 30 Jun 2020 at 11.55am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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it started with you saying
No one seems to know but Iíve saw on the news they were saying it might be to do with a large number of non-English speaking people in the city

But like everything else on here it evolves
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   Old Thread  #3284 30 Jun 2020 at 11.43am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I donít think anyone born in this country doesnít learn English...you kind of have to when you go to school and to get basic qualifications. Where on Earth are you getting your information that thereís are loads of people born in england that refuse to learn English?

Speaking more than one language well doesnít mean English isnít someoneís first language. I know plenty of people that speak one or more other languages solely because thatís what their parents speak at home. Or so they can communicate with their relatives.
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   Old Thread  #3283 30 Jun 2020 at 11.37am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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But if they are born here then surely they should be encouraged to have English as their 1st language?
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   Old Thread  #3282 30 Jun 2020 at 11.31am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I don't blame the 'foreigners' as you put it I blame it on governments that have allowed people to live here and not learn the language.

Agree

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   Old Thread  #3281 30 Jun 2020 at 11.23am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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as a second language he means obviously
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   Old Thread  #3280 30 Jun 2020 at 11.19am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Don't know, my 1 yearly great grandson is starting to speak English it cant be that hard
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   Old Thread  #3279 30 Jun 2020 at 11.11am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Its knot.......
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   Old Thread  #3278 30 Jun 2020 at 11.10am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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But if you live here there should be plenty of time and opportunity to learn it.
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   Old Thread  #3277 30 Jun 2020 at 10.47am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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English isnít an easy language to master though, is it?
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   Old Thread  #3276 30 Jun 2020 at 10.02am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You hit it on the head

But unfortunately printing all literature in every language, not just CV advice, does not encourage people to learn the language of any country. If you wish to make a new country your country of residence learn the language not expect the country to pander for you to carry on as normal.

Some of these communities have been here for generations there should be less need for printing in their main language. Gone are the days when children need to translate for their parents, unless they are new to the country, learn the language its for the benefit of all.

Keep your identity and traditions if its compatable with the laws of the country as this allows for inclusion, diversity and adds to the ambiance of areas, but FFS learn basic communication skills.
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   Old Thread  #3275 30 Jun 2020 at 8.35am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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don't think many are bothered about pubs opening around my way, last 3 weekends there has been illegal raves going on, bringing over 100 to each leaving all their rubbish everywhere..ruining farmers crops, cars parked down lanes on blind corners..I wouldn't of fancied being on par lakes last weekend..
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   Old Thread  #3274 30 Jun 2020 at 8.22am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I don't blame the 'foreigners' as you put it I blame it on governments that have allowed people to live here and not learn the language.

And before you say it Brits abroad should do the same
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   Old Thread  #3273 30 Jun 2020 at 8.09am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Bet they can when it comes to benefits, tax credits and free housing etc
Sounds very racist that

As Wayne said itís down to testing. Like America, trump telling them to stop testing so they donít have such high figures.

Blame it on the foreigners is the standard far right, brexit party/Boris Johnson government narrative. Itís depressing that so many subscribe to it too. Iíve even heard someone spouting that the EU sent it to Britain on purpose after getting it on the mainland
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No one seems to know but Iíve saw on the news they were saying it might be to do with a large number of non-English speaking people in the city. But that just sounds like someone is trying to blame foreigners tbh.

Sounds a bit racist that. Was saying on the news last night (elderly Asian man commented) that it was down to the communication and a lot of the "foreign people" could not understand what was being said, amazing that really isnt it...

Bet they can when it comes to benefits, tax credits and free housing etc

What a ****ing joke
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   Old Thread  #3271 30 Jun 2020 at 7.43am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Leicester is down to more testing, more testing now will show as spikes and keep you fearing longer........

Anyway, Forget CV19..........New swine flu on the way according the Blatant Bull**** Corporation......
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anyone know why Leicester has spiked? they've not had all the street parties and marches like other places - or have they?

No one seems to know but Iíve saw on the news they were saying it might be to do with a large number of non-English speaking people in the city. But that just sounds like someone is trying to blame foreigners tbh.

My cousins lives there and even he doesnít know.

For all we know Leicester could be doing loads more testing compared to everywhere else, thus picking up more cases of it.
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   Old Thread  #3269 30 Jun 2020 at 5.01am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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pubs will be carnage ... can't believe I'm saying it, but I'm not looking forward to them reopening... might just go fishing and hide out of the way!

Same here. Like a walk and a pint myself but I will be avoiding them. You just know it will be total carnage for the first couple of months

Just like the massive queues outside McDonaldís and KFC etc. When they reopened. Gave my daughter a bolloking, sat there for nearly an hour!

Think it might be the old subconscious salesmanís trick, make something exclusive or hard to get and all of a sudden everybody wants a piece of it!

Get ready for a riot and a possible R increase. While ever there are ming mongs this will just drag on and on and on and on. While Iím out and about is see people carry on and think, have you seen the news, have you heard of social distancing, some proper muppets

As well as the health implications I am seriously concerned about the impact on business and more importantly jobs. Add another spike and we could be in a very serious situation
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   Old Thread  #3268 29 Jun 2020 at 11.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Eyesight issues are the only obstacle.

How far is Barnard Castle from Leicester?
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   Old Thread  #3267 29 Jun 2020 at 10.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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See how it goes, block the roads if necessary
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pubs will be carnage ... can't believe I'm saying it, but I'm not looking forward to them reopening... might just go fishing and hide out of the way!

anyone know why Leicester has spiked? they've not had all the street parties and marches like other places - or have they?
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   Old Thread  #3265 29 Jun 2020 at 10.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No idea, it was just on the breaking news on a TV in a chippy in the Severn Valley. Keeping up the social distancing on the BAA ticket
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   Old Thread  #3264 29 Jun 2020 at 10.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Is there anything stopping people in Leicester just driving until they find an open pub?
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   Old Thread  #3263 29 Jun 2020 at 10.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They probably wonít the knobbers will jump in their cars and travel for a pint and a haircut spreadng as they go!
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   Old Thread  #3262 29 Jun 2020 at 9.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not if you live in Leicester.
Hopefully people respect it and in return the government throw the kitchen sink at it medically and support wise.
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   Old Thread  #3261 29 Jun 2020 at 7.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hopefully people will behave but I doubt it!

Peaceful riots, block parties (I hate this americanism), seaside trips, and celebrating football wins.

Has anyone else noticed as the daily death rate is falling it has become yesterdays news hardly even a comment on BBC 6 o clock news.

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   Old Thread  #3260 29 Jun 2020 at 6.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Anyone planning a trip to the pub on Saturday?
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   Old Thread  #3259 29 Jun 2020 at 6.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Interesting read

Definitely something in that but it's small percentages over a longer timeframe. "Peaceful Symbiosis" is not at work though it states
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   Old Thread  #3258 29 Jun 2020 at 6.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Can't remember where I first saw it - followed so many links lately!
Obviously there is no hard and fast rule but the gist was it's a general thing, albeit with some exceptions.
HIV is getting less deadly for example.

Try this

https://cntechpost.com/2020/02/11/will-viruses-get-weaker-from-generation-to-generation/
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   Old Thread  #3257 29 Jun 2020 at 6.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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There is something to this which I have heard about via scientists. And it makes sense. I believe that there are some that donít due to the end host. This may be more to do with parasites though. some have their host becoming weak or dying and then being eaten as part of their cycle.
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   Old Thread  #3256 29 Jun 2020 at 6.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I don't know if that is the case but I'm no virologist! Some viruses have been around for 1000's of years such as smallpox and are still the same. Only eradicated by vaccines.
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I read somewhere that viruses generally, mutate to be weaker rather than stronger over time.
The reason touted was that killing the host organism is not so conducive to the virus being able to spread.

Makes evolutionary sense
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Thatís the one Jon, but ultimately he wasnít investigated or prosecuted because the Head of the CPS had no ******** and who else would be exposed was probably a factor......
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Perhaps that lab has stopped making it...?

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   Old Thread  #3252 29 Jun 2020 at 11.14am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The people Jon's talking about will still have those factors but the viral load is now less
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   Old Thread  #3251 29 Jun 2020 at 11.09am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I've seen professional 'evidence' reported that its a number of factors, blood type being a big player, diet, BMI, air pollution, all sorts.
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   Old Thread  #3250 29 Jun 2020 at 10.20am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The reason for the difference in viral load levels and how contagious some people are hasn't been answered yet
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   Old Thread  #3249 29 Jun 2020 at 10.08am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yep, antibody tests show that 21% have had it here.
The odd thing is, medics here are reporting much weaker infections in those who are testing positive for it now, with patients having viral loads which are fractions of the levels seen a couple of months ago. This doesn't seem to be the case in other places.
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   Old Thread  #3248 29 Jun 2020 at 9.48am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
My brother is a scientist usually works on BSE but his lab has been converted for COVID-19 testing. He's part of the antibody home test kit validation program and had the antibody test last week, blood taken for the validation of the test. Talking with the boffins on the validation program they estimate <5% in the UK have had COVID-19. I'm sure Jon posted a figure of 1 in 5 positive antibody tests in an Italian hotspot. It's not over.
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   Old Thread  #3247 29 Jun 2020 at 8.40am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Let's not forget it's the older people who are the best at getting off their arses to go and vote, tend to be more supportive of conservatives, and are most commonly killed by Covid19.

Edit: Wayne, is that the Jimmy Savile who was a personal friend of senior Tories, spent holidays with Thatcher and campaigned for the conservatives, who made sure there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute him?
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   Old Thread  #3246 29 Jun 2020 at 8.08am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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In 4 years I think the question will be who will be best trusted to reduce the debt we've just acquired.
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   Old Thread  #3245 29 Jun 2020 at 7.22am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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True, but will ďI saved Jimmy SavilleĒ keir Starmer be the leader in 4 yrs time as BJ ainít going no where......
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   Old Thread  #3244 29 Jun 2020 at 7.15am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No defence of Boris here, but chaps donít place to much trust in polls. Remember December and the shock of the election which according to the polls was going to be a close run thing and possibly going Labours way.
People will lie to polls and the silent majority have a big sway.

All parties at this stage have their idiots on board itís a long way to 2024 😷😷😷
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   Old Thread  #3243 29 Jun 2020 at 0.37am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Worth thinking about.
180 people die every day from a heart attack in the UK about 1200 a week or 65,000 year!
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   Old Thread  #3242 28 Jun 2020 at 10.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Here you go spanker - some more percentages

https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/28/brits-think-keir-starmer-make-better-pm-boris-johnson-poll-reveals-12913538/?ito=push-notification&ci=20546&si=9412819

and the Rolling Stones AND Tom Petty's family
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   Old Thread  #3241 28 Jun 2020 at 2.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!

Latest survey reports that 41% of the uk's population still think that Boris and co have done a good job regarding the handling of coronavirus ,

Does anyone still think this is true and if so could they explain why they think this , maybe i missed something , i have been busy with work over the last few weeks since starting back on site !

Maybe people just find it hard to admit it's been a fiasco , i would expect a truthful figure of around 5% , Sun and express readers !

going off at a tangent , Well done rolling stones !
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   Old Thread  #3240 27 Jun 2020 at 11.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It was a joke. Go back more than a few posts next time.
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   Old Thread  #3239 27 Jun 2020 at 11.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not so much sticking up for him but along with some others on here me and him have been on here for many years and over that time I've got to know what Wayne is all about.
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   Old Thread  #3238 27 Jun 2020 at 11.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well you did say in post #3225 that on here you like to keep your opinions to yourself.
But hey this is getting off topic and rather than turn it into a saga maybe itís best just to leave it
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Thanks Wayne , just what i expected !
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You always stick up for Wayne , are we missing something ?
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   Old Thread  #3234 27 Jun 2020 at 9.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Fairer to whom? If Iím disagreeing with someoneís opinion or interpretation of facts, that is my view.
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Care to put text to that response Wayne !
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Corruption , endemic in the Tory party , rotten to the core , i was happy to put up with Corbyn as a means to an end ! we have witnessed it throughout this pandemic , please , don't try to retaliate with the laying of a wreath, terrorist sympathizer or he was antisemitic , you have been had , now we have another Blair in Starmer !

It is a constant battle for the masses to take from the establishment and Co and they hold all the aces at the moment !

A few on here have swallowed it and believe Its those nasty colored people causing all the problems and vote for Boris,
I'm sorry , you have been had , as i have said a few times , there are a few that post on here that wouldn't or couldn't see the truth if it was glued to the end of their nose , or they are just your average knuckle dragging racist !

And if they don't like it they can fu** off
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   Old Thread  #3230 27 Jun 2020 at 8.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Wouldn't expect you to question/criticise everything others say but letting us know what your own views are occasionally would be fairer
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   Old Thread  #3229 27 Jun 2020 at 8.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I simply havenít time to question and criticise every post, but I wouldnít be critical if I agreed would I? I do dislike hypocrisy though, sorry if that comes across as insincerity.

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   Old Thread  #3228 27 Jun 2020 at 7.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Some would say thatís a form of trolling......
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   Old Thread  #3227 27 Jun 2020 at 7.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Isn't that's a little unfair if you only cherry pick other peoples comments, question and sometimes criticize them but never say anything that could put yourself in the same position? Is it a lack of confidence?
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   Old Thread  #3226 27 Jun 2020 at 7.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not at all.
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Not for here, I like to keep them to myself.

Wayne, so the people you consider experts are those you disagree with?
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Your welcome......
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   Old Thread  #3223 27 Jun 2020 at 5.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thanks Wayne.

Being called an expert by a man of your obvious intellect really does mean a lot
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   Old Thread  #3222 27 Jun 2020 at 5.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Expert no.......simply my opinion and alternative view of the world and what we are told.......

If your looking for experts thatís Mallory, Jon and spanky Spangler.......
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Well you can never say Wayne hasn't got any opinions !
Have you got any ?
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   Old Thread  #3220 27 Jun 2020 at 5.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So now you're an expert on epidemiology, pathology and statistics?
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   Old Thread  #3219 27 Jun 2020 at 3.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Excess deaths are being fiddled to ****........same as the CV deaths being reported.......
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   Old Thread  #3218 27 Jun 2020 at 2.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yuk!
I wouldn't have a tattoo full stop

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We need a sarcasm smiley
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   Old Thread  #3217 27 Jun 2020 at 2.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hmm my sarcasm not cutting through. That's forums for you eh?

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   Old Thread  #3216 27 Jun 2020 at 2.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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But it is a foreign virus
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   Old Thread  #3215 27 Jun 2020 at 2.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Been the same on the SW beaches according to the news. Some bins were full but surely itís not much effort to take rubbish home or find another bin. The cleanup guys are busy enough this time of year without people adding to their work, must take them several times as long to pick up the potentially infected rubbish even from around the bins. Hot weather and people seem to lose all reason and responsibility.

Perhaps Iíve missed it but Iíve not seen any explanation of the 2 or 1 metre rule or is this just another example of a political vague statement.
Anyone know if 1 metre should be measured from furtherest extremity, shoulder to shoulder or centre to centre?
If itís the latter then surely people will be virtually touching.
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   Old Thread  #3214 27 Jun 2020 at 2.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
A few on here have this mentality !

link .







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   Old Thread  #3213 27 Jun 2020 at 1.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Can you imagine if your list caught a 'foreign' virus...? They'd explode with rage before the symptoms took hold!

Peace out man
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   Old Thread  #3212 27 Jun 2020 at 1.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
The number of deaths here in Bergamo, with a strictly enforced lockdown once the severity of the problem was understood, was 550% more than last year. If they hadn't shut everything?
They are doing random antibody tests on 50k people, so far the numbers show 21.5% have had it.
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   Old Thread  #3211 27 Jun 2020 at 1.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Different countries using different ways of counting things, some playing up, some playing down, some trying to be honest, we'll never know the true numbers, maybe it's got to do with density of population which is why New York has got it bad and other American places are hardly affected.
Sweden has a bigger population and denser population compared to the neighbours it touches. It could be argued that has a bearing? I don't know Ö..just saying


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   Old Thread  #3210 27 Jun 2020 at 12.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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still wouldn't wish it on anyone

Snowflake.

I've got a list.
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   Old Thread  #3209 27 Jun 2020 at 12.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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To follow that logic do you want to abolish health care, health and safety legislation, policing and the armed forces and so on? Let nature take itís course?

You know Thanos was the bad guy donít you?

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   Old Thread  #3208 27 Jun 2020 at 12.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hmmm

So do you think those numbers are played down to say 'we beat the virus' or played up to say 'see we told you it was dangerous' ?

Dodgy numbers all over the place methinks.

Still wouldn't wish it on anyone though.
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   Old Thread  #3207 27 Jun 2020 at 12.28pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Couldnt not lockdown the world when everyone was lambasting China for having it and how awful it is etc. Not like politicians to admit they are wrong, theyíd rather cripple their country than do that.
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Sweden had a far higher mortality rate than its neighbours.
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Yeah but if we didnít lock the world down it would be so much worse blah blah blah........

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   Old Thread  #3204 27 Jun 2020 at 12.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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World population 7.594 billion

Worldwide Covid Deaths 497,506 (just ahead of Malaria)

That's 0.0065% of the population, I hope it's all been worth it



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Donít know why people are concerned about the beaches, Liverpool fans etc........look at Sweden, done nothing and itís naturally plateauing.......
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One Liverpool fan tries to achieve social distancing but fails
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Took my dog out around 6am this morning round a local water sports park prior to the masses arriving. Have to say, what a ****ing disgrace, donít get me wrong the bins were overflowing but about a mile of bank was just like the floor of a concert, litter and bottles, everywhere, lazy ****s, take it home ffs. Good job it wasnít windy or it would have all been in the water, selfish, irresponsible ****ing idiots

I was talking to one of the blokes who was doing the clean up, been like it for the last few days, mental, packed out!

See where we are in another month or two when the R numbers up

Like somebody said to me the other day, some people have absolutely no sense of reality at all, when their granny gets it and dies it will finally sink in...
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Boom, and there you have it in a nutshell
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Looks like itís absolutely carnage at the beaches again today. 5 stabbed, loads of fighting and arrests. Litter everywhere. Liverpool celebrations yesterday looked like a pandemic doesnít exist either.

Shocking.
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recorded as Covid only death!!
That's an argument in itself.
Keep safe
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Yeah I donít believe anyone will have full immunity but having the antibodies will mean a much better chance of fighting it off next time. As it does with most other viral infections.
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Itís no one I know personally. Relatives of friends, clients, etc. But none of them actually died from the virus. All other reasons but recorded as Covid only death!!
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As I said to Spanker earlier we don't often agree but that sounds sound.
Personally I don't know anyone first hand that's has got or died from the virus but I'm sorry to hear of your first hand experience
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Link

It might not be that simple.
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Answer to it is simple. Antibody test for everyone so we all know where we stand. Statistically very low numbers, although the figures are wildly inaccurate anyway. Between myself and 4 family members we know of 7 people that have died and had Covid 19 put on the death certificate and none of them died from it. They had other illnesses, two of them short term terminal. Some of them never even tested for it.

Currently in Northamptonshire thereís been 0.25% of the population tested positive and 0.07% died from it (although as Iíve said not that accurate). This is why people are not as worried as its made out they need to be.

Much the same as people getting fed up of over the top statue removal and street name changing, I think people are fed up of the over the top anxiety and doom related to covid19.
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   Old Thread  #3191 25 Jun 2020 at 8.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I don't normally agree with you but I think you may be right ( I hope you're wrong though)
We have a balancing act to keep people safe but also to save the economy which will need people to act responsibly but in the last few days and weeks that doesn't look promising.
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   Old Thread  #3190 25 Jun 2020 at 8.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
It looks like a lot of people have decided that the transmissibility of a deadly virus is inversely proportional to the level of boredom they are experiencing.
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   Old Thread  #3189 25 Jun 2020 at 8.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Good point I remember when greedy companies downsized in the 80's
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   Old Thread  #3188 25 Jun 2020 at 8.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
If only we knew that herd immunity after contracting c19 was possible , then it might be a good idea for a second wave pre winter , i fear a shi*storm this winter , unless someone develops a vaccine !
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   Old Thread  #3187 25 Jun 2020 at 8.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Gives a lot of companies the chance to make people redundant too.......
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   Old Thread  #3186 25 Jun 2020 at 7.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They want both. They want to be furloughed because they say it's too unsafe to go to and actually do some work but it's ok to say lockdown is taking too long so they know better and do as they please
And if they are on the social then there's no financial advantage to be responsible so do as you like
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   Old Thread  #3185 25 Jun 2020 at 7.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So much for the furlough thatís been extend, seems pretty pointless to me now
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   Old Thread  #3184 25 Jun 2020 at 7.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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People donít give a **** no more! I think the mindset is just go with it and get back to normal ASAP!!
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   Old Thread  #3183 25 Jun 2020 at 6.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Looking at the pictures on the news tonight you could be right Wayne

****ing crackers some people
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   Old Thread  #3182 25 Jun 2020 at 6.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
May as well lock this thread.......CV19 is gone in the majorityís mind........
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   Old Thread  #3181 25 Jun 2020 at 5.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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He's said nothing of the sort.
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   Old Thread  #3180 25 Jun 2020 at 5.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Oh and in case we all missed it. Tory MPs voted against giving NHS and care workers weekly Covid-19 tests
But go Boris with his scruffy blonde hair doing such an amazing job for the country.
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   Old Thread  #3179 25 Jun 2020 at 5.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Itís fine. Government have basically said go back to normal because the NHS can cope again. Boris reckons we will be okay so thatís good enough for us isnít it?
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   Old Thread  #3178 25 Jun 2020 at 4.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Whatís right with them ffs

Same at a lot of other beaches too. No sense of reality, canít have can they, keep your distance, it could kill you, yeah, right.

Like mentioned in another thread, get ready when the pubs are open, they will be scrapping in heaps
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   Old Thread  #3177 25 Jun 2020 at 4.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What's wrong with people
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   Old Thread  #3176 25 Jun 2020 at 3.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
'major incident' declared at Bournemouth beach as thousands of people decide lockdown is over and social distancing is unnecessary.

By the time they go home that beach is going to look like a bed-ridden cat lady's litter tray.
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Makes sense
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   Old Thread  #3174 24 Jun 2020 at 12.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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To be honest I think the powers that be wanted all to come back positive. The more negative results the more difficult it will be going forward without a vaccine.
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Do you want it positive or negative, positive I'm guessing, anyway good luck
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   Old Thread  #3172 24 Jun 2020 at 11.21am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Fingers crossed mate.

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   Old Thread  #3171 24 Jun 2020 at 10.59am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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hopefully it comes back positive, then there's less need to worry going forward
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   Old Thread  #3170 24 Jun 2020 at 9.47am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
My brother has his antibody test tommorow. All his colleagues results have come back negative so far...
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   Old Thread  #3169 23 Jun 2020 at 8.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I can't find that article on https://www.theepochtimes.com/
I can find stuff talking about the article but I can't find the actual article.
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   Old Thread  #3168 23 Jun 2020 at 7.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Have you had a look Wayne?

Interesting reading

I googled them, says they are a far right anti communist group, would never have guessed

I think they could be almost or definitely right though
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   Old Thread  #3167 23 Jun 2020 at 6.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think they missed you more than you missed them Wayne

Would appear that way as i keep getting mentioned.........
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   Old Thread  #3166 23 Jun 2020 at 6.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think they missed you more than you missed them Wayne
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   Old Thread  #3165 23 Jun 2020 at 6.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Only trying to give credit where's it's due as now he's agreeing so by your logic Boris is doing a great job.
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   Old Thread  #3164 23 Jun 2020 at 5.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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well at least we know what Wayne's been up to lately then...

How wrong you are again Mallory.........I have been living life, fishing and not sat on this forum all day everyday trying to ram my view down peoples throats. Dont stop though as its great entertainment.......

As you were..........
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   Old Thread  #3163 23 Jun 2020 at 2.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Shouldn't laugh..

http://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-novak-djokovic-tests-positive-for-covid-19-12013201
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   Old Thread  #3162 23 Jun 2020 at 1.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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But one person's 'score points' is another person's 'point out what a crap job Johnson is doing and ask difficult questions', like the leader of the opposition is supposed to do.
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I'm impressed with Keir Starmer today he broadly supports and wants to help the government, to me that's a vote winner whereas recent performances saw him just trying to score points, that might appease the already converted but was not a vote winner IMO.
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   Old Thread  #3160 23 Jun 2020 at 12.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Might send him a copy, all his dreams and theories have come true
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dp
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   Old Thread  #3158 23 Jun 2020 at 12.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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well at least we know what Wayne's been up to lately then...
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well at least we know what Wayne's been up to lately then...
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   Old Thread  #3156 23 Jun 2020 at 11.25am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Breaking news

Not sure which thread to post this in. I have had a newspaper through my letter box this morning:

The EPOCH Times, if you have not received it you can subscribe: ReadEpoch.UK

All I can say is wow

Headline page. How Chinaís communist regime endangered the world

Editor, Dana Cheng. Time line of events the lot. They caused it all, canít belive i have got this through the letter box if Iím honest, unbelievable
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   Old Thread  #3155 21 Jun 2020 at 7.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Don't let Hancock see this...

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   Old Thread  #3153 21 Jun 2020 at 3.37pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!

The latest government release on how to stay safe !

link .

stay safe



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   Old Thread  #3152 21 Jun 2020 at 11.55am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Boris boy I am not but fat cake boy I am 🤫🤫🤫
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   Old Thread  #3151 21 Jun 2020 at 10.45am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'll be glad when you're able to go on holiday, don't forget your straighteners
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   Old Thread  #3150 21 Jun 2020 at 10.25am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You're just a typical Boris boy. Having your cake and eating it....

Thankyou. I'm here all week.
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   Old Thread  #3149 21 Jun 2020 at 9.00am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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He would try to steal a chip off your plate but wouldnít order a portion unless the public told him to 😷😷😷
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   Old Thread  #3148 20 Jun 2020 at 8.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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He would say the cake was being served too early only to change his mind and say it was too late
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   Old Thread  #3146 20 Jun 2020 at 7.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Mal you wouldn't have liked it, trust me #shouldnthavehadthatlastslice

Stay Alert Stay Safe Eat Cake

Even Starmer couldn't deny he understood that
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   Old Thread  #3145 20 Jun 2020 at 7.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Could be worse.

Could be a U2 album.
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   Old Thread  #3144 20 Jun 2020 at 7.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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#sendmalsomecake

#malsbellymatters

#don'tbeagreedygit
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Thats what happens when you are at a family tea party, reading, typing while eyeing up the last slice of lemon drizzle cake i let my guard down and rushed for the cake. #nocaloriesinfreecake
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   Old Thread  #3142 20 Jun 2020 at 6.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Ah Fishie , this is where you need to be alert , are you trying to tell us that you weren't alert
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oh well, my bad for not reading every entry

I couldn't give a **** about it because as already stated they all get nightly bored following me

Just nice to be asked if I wanted it on my phone
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Bit late on the uptake here mate. Discussed a few posts down. The Apple and android software only works when you have installed an authorised covid-19 tracking app on your phone and enabled it in the settings. It isnít an app. It doesnít work unless you download an app. And itís the system that everywhere else in the world is using. Nothing to be worried about. Apple have just put it on the software update for when we are able to get an app. No privacy breaches, no naughtiness as itís in the patch notes.
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Yes , we covered that one , just needs activating , the one that we should of been using since May , the one that does not store your data for decades , but we decided to go for the world beating government backed one , jobs for the boys n all that !

Hancock , "we have agreed to join forces with google and apple " Apples response , "we don't know what you are talking about ", farcical

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   Old Thread  #3138 20 Jun 2020 at 3.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Is everyone aware that Apple has put an iPhone app on their phone without asking? CV anyone?

Go to settings - privacy - health and lo and behold big brother is there. Itís default setting is off but did they ask anyoneís permission. So not Government but multi national private business now have you 🙀 I donít give a **** because Iím really boring but for conspiracy freaks this is going to push them over the edge.

So when Apple say the government hasnít talked to them are you really gong to believe that 😂😂😂
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The Ukranian woman said she could get me ED tablets so I gave her $250 to buy some . Got to be worth it as the picture she sent of herself is absolutely stunning

I agree with the tracking nonsense Mal. The only people who think they are special is because their mums told them
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he's not too good with names is he?

ask 'daniel' rashford....

actually, he's not too good with numbers either.

or anything I've yet seen so far....

I love the ridiculous arrogance of the nutters who are worrying about being 'tracked'. Why do they think Bill Gates / Apple / etc. give a toss about where they are? And all of our online activity is already tracked and linked etc. that's why tinhead keeps getting all those emails for ED and Ukranian Women seeking love....

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I understand how it must be hard for anyone who voted for Boris to make us great again and then to watch this circus unravel , unbelievable even .

probably the worst government ever seen in the uk , its pathetic to say "Corbyn would of been worse "!

The whole world are watching in disbelief , barring a few other idiot leaders , like Brazil , USA and India !

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Your beginning to sound like a little girl now , getting all scratchy nippy and bitey !
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I watched the film 'official secrets' yesterday....

That's Blair for you.

Lying, grinning idiot.
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And Google said they have!

Itís on BBC website so it must be true 🤷🏼‍♂️
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I'm sure you're correct and Spankers link is just more of his doom and gloom
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   Old Thread  #3130 19 Jun 2020 at 9.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Itís old news. Itís the software that allows the apps to work with privacy and keep data safe from getting in to the wrong hands. Itís doesnít mean Apple and google are tracking you. Iíve seen people on Facebook saying all sorts about it that clearly donít understand it. Just because itís on your phone doesnít mean youíll have access to an authorised app either, we havenít got one in the UK and we probably wonít have. Hancock been embarrassed by Apple already saying theyíve had talks and Apple said they have no idea what heís on about. Hancock probably spoke to an Apple in the fruit bowl
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Yes if Labour had got in with Jeremy at the helm

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Your taking a chance not agreeing with him you know, he is the font of all knowledge, he knows best and we all must click his links, read every word, believe it, do as he says and obey him.
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   Old Thread  #3128 19 Jun 2020 at 8.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Just for the record I'm not a die hard Tory by any means

Thought you said ďTonyĒ as in Blair, he would blind this ****ing lot
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   Old Thread  #3127 19 Jun 2020 at 8.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thereís been hype over this but neednít be. You can turn it off and only works if you have a valid app installed, like the one we will get in Winter. Thatís what it explains on the an iPhone to you anyway. It doesnít just work automatically and randomly.
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   Old Thread  #3126 19 Jun 2020 at 8.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Could of been worse
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   Old Thread  #3125 19 Jun 2020 at 7.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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sorry if it doesn't make sense just saying things could be worse IMO.
I'm out for a little while and doing a Mal, coffee and a lay down (in my case tea)
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   Old Thread  #3124 19 Jun 2020 at 7.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!

The one we should of gone for long ago , bent b*****ds , might already be on your phone ready to activate , android phones !

link.

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   Old Thread  #3123 19 Jun 2020 at 6.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not meant to be political. Just said labour because you mentioned them before

I donít think you can compare a potential situation at a later date because who knows the level of debt after renationalising many things brings in money to the treasury. Pandemic could happen 3yrs and 363 days in to the term and debt could have been much reduced from what was initially borrowed. Who knows. A pandemic may never have happened.

Your original point is one I see a lot from supporters of a certain party which is why I posed the question like that. If you take it on the situation that has actually happened then it doesnít really make sense. Doesnít even matter really anyway because labour didnít win so not really sure why a comparison to something that will never happen is being made (more generally not aimed at you). Itís like saying ďyeah city lost that champions league match but if arsenal won the league last year and qualified and were in that group theyíd have lost by 5-0 not 3-0 to Real MadridĒ
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   Old Thread  #3122 19 Jun 2020 at 6.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Same and fair enough
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   Old Thread  #3121 19 Jun 2020 at 6.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Sorry but I'm not going to get all political, I've said before we should have a political thread for that.
I will answer that one question though. No one knew if and when a pandemic was going to happen so I think it was lucky that Labour didn't get in and started to borrow and then a pandemic occurred later in their term as we'd even more ****ed than we are now.
We'd all be laying into the government big time but it would be a little unfair as they were voted in on agenda.
If Labour had got in and the pandemic started when it did people would say they welched on their promises which would be unfair. Unless they borrowed for furlough and their promises, now that would be wreckless

See I'm fair to everyone
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   Old Thread  #3120 19 Jun 2020 at 6.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Just for the record I'm not a die hard Tory by any means I've voted for many parties in the past and will do so in the future depending on what they stand for at the time.
An example of this is I thought the economy was doing ok under Gordon Brown and thought it was unfair for him to take so much criticism when the was a global down turn.
So I do support the government at the moment but only until the next election and then I'll make my decision based at the time.
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   Old Thread  #3119 19 Jun 2020 at 5.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That makes no sense. Do you think a labour government would have borrowed and spent all those millions of pounds in 3 months of being in charge?? Especially considering it was a 4 year plan?
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   Old Thread  #3118 19 Jun 2020 at 5.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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But support
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Go have another coffee and a lie down
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   Old Thread  #3116 19 Jun 2020 at 5.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
***?!?!$$*** aeroplane....







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   Old Thread  #3115 19 Jun 2020 at 4.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No praise for failure from me, but what I'm trying to get at in the last few posts back is maybe try to be a little positive from time to time rather than the grass is always greener on the other side.

Good news from Fishie, well at least I think it is, let's hope the protests haven't interfered
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   Old Thread  #3114 19 Jun 2020 at 4.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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These are the " bumps in the road?" .To put certain parts of the UK infrastructure into public ownership. So we'd own them now coming out of COVID-19. At least they had the balls to say it as it was. 1TRILLION £'s in added national debt since 2010 and what's to show for it? You think that's worthy of praise and your continuous support?
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   Old Thread  #3113 19 Jun 2020 at 4.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Taken from BBC news

The UK is now publishing "growth rates" to measure the spread of coronavirus.
The figures tell us how fast cases are rising or falling.
Across the UK, the growth rate is estimated at between -2% and -4% per day. As the number is negative it means cases are falling.
So for every 100 new cases on Friday you would expect around 97 new cases on Saturday, around 94 on Sunday and so on.The growth rate is thought to be negative in every region of England.
Only in London is there a small chance cases are growing.
The range is from -5% to +1% but on balance cases are thought to be falling in the capital too.
The growth rate is related to the R number that has been reported for months. The R number for the UK is between 0.7 and 0.9 - anything below 1.0 means the epidemic is shrinking.


I give you
"only in London is there a small chance cases are growing"
Nothing to do with the marches, riot and fighting then?
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   Old Thread  #3112 19 Jun 2020 at 3.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Of course you didn't hear that because no one knew that it would become necessary.
Labour did say borrowing was ok though to finance their ideas. Just imagine if that had happened plus the unforeseen furloughing came along. Unless you're saying furloughing was a bad idea?
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   Old Thread  #3111 19 Jun 2020 at 3.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Plenty of spuds to pick and trawlers too work on soon Scozza
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   Old Thread  #3110 19 Jun 2020 at 3.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I don't think I've ever heard a labour politician say borrowing billions to pay millions on the dole is a good thing. Where did you get that from? No answers or ideas from those 2 Fishie
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   Old Thread  #3109 19 Jun 2020 at 3.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Form a medical perspective hopefully we are going to be taking a step out of it, hopefully!

From a business perspective and the impact on jobs and closures I think we are only just taking a step into it sadly, not good, it will impact a lot of people this sadly, probably has already but there is more to come.
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Our woeful under investment in manufacturing has been exposed recently.
I agree with that

But we are right up at the top of the tree with national debt and borrowing our way into a likely big recession.
Wasn't we told by Labour that borrowing was a good thing and not a problem?
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We aren't and won't be the only nation with the ills that you bring up.

But we are right up at the top of the tree with national debt and borrowing our way into a likely big recession.

We're also the only one cashing out our chips to get out of the world's biggest economic bloc as far as I know.

Our woeful under investment in manufacturing has been exposed recently.

So we've some specific unique issues. Surely these boards will be buzzing with Brexiteer ideas of how we jump back into the prosperity big league.
They'll be along soon Fishie, singing always look on the bright side of life.... Knees up mother Brown etc
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   Old Thread  #3106 19 Jun 2020 at 2.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Once again a thread turning into a slanging match.

So once again chaps "what's your ideas of getting out of this?"

its alright sniping about it but how is this resolved?

Do you actually think we are the only country hitting recession, with big over draughts and record levels of furlough, redundancies and job losses.

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   Old Thread  #3105 19 Jun 2020 at 2.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I didn't say we should be proud and I didn't even mention Boris!
We're all entitled to moan, I know I do but that's all some people are capable of doing, just suggesting they do a Monty Python and occasionally look on the bright side of life

Sorry Ocelot but I don't fully understand what you're saying, what inappropriate threads?

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You need to visit less **** stirring on inappropriate threads isnt everyone's view of Nirvana.
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   Old Thread  #3103 19 Jun 2020 at 1.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
You're right Bob, the population should be bloody proud of good old Boris, one of the worst death rates in the world, but he's such a character!

He certainly deserves a lovely new paint job for his plane. How else is he going to strike important trade deals with countries with the GDP of Lincolnshire?

No deal will only be a problem if you approach it with a negative attitude!

Look into my eyes, not around the eyes, look into my eyes ... Your lucky, Boris is brilliant, nothing is going badly ..... You're back in the room!
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   Old Thread  #3102 19 Jun 2020 at 12.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
A lot of doom and gloom on here did anyone not expect there to be consequences?

Cheer up it may never happen

Some of you need to visit other parts of the forum people aren't so 'we're all doomed' over there
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   Old Thread  #3101 19 Jun 2020 at 12.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And rising, not good at all

Itís gonna have to be paid back one way or another!
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   Old Thread  #3100 19 Jun 2020 at 12.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Drop the alert level in an attempt to divert attention from the app failure and the borrowing figures. Nice one Dom.
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   Old Thread  #3099 19 Jun 2020 at 12.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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On top of those eye watering debt figures during COVID-19.
2.1 million claiming unemployment benefit
8.9 million on government furlough pay.
2.6 million on government self employed scheme.

Close to 14 million British worker's effectively on the dole
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The fall out of CV will be terrible and the British public had a chance in 2015, 2017 and 2019 to vote and the public made those decisions. But look at the leaders of all the parties at this time all a bunch of clowns.

This is the CV thread so back on thread, did I hear right the alert level is being dropped from 4 to 3 so some good news
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   Old Thread  #3097 19 Jun 2020 at 11.44am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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1.95 TRILLION £.
Don't think a couple of months of furlough payments made much of a difference.
£0.95 Trillion when we booted out that fool Gordon Brown because he was fiscally incompetent
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   Old Thread  #3096 19 Jun 2020 at 11.37am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The country is going to be in a bad place once some sense of normality returns.

But what was the government meant to do, soup kitchens, school dinners and hostels. Not casting any aspersions for anyone on here but people were happy to receive 80% in their hands and self employed loans, but where did they think it was coming from.

There is no such thing as a free lunch and we will be paying for this for years to come, but i bet every country is in the same position.

The EU are doing the same so its not just the UK.

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   Old Thread  #3095 19 Jun 2020 at 11.05am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Playing out perfectly for the Brexit Brigade.


"The UK's debt is now worth more than its economy after the government borrowed a record amount in May.

The £55.2bn figure was nine times higher than in May last year and the highest since records began in 1993.

The borrowing splurge sent government debt surging to £1.95 trillion, exceeding the size of the economy for the first time in more than 50 years."

We're back where we started before joining the EU. Sick man of Europe again? Borrowing your way into a recession doesn't look good
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   Old Thread  #3094 19 Jun 2020 at 10.35am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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just need a coffee and a lie down and I'll be fine thankyou
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   Old Thread  #3093 19 Jun 2020 at 10.33am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Totally agree with furloughed people working elsewhere if social distancing can be achieved.
No doubt all the excuses will come out if they actually tried it though

Mal reread the rest of your post. are you having a bad day? Did you pull that string
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   Old Thread  #3092 19 Jun 2020 at 10.24am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Bluetooth or a centralised database collecting who knows what. Both have downsides, unlike you the German population appreciates it's privacy and so does the state.
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   Old Thread  #3091 19 Jun 2020 at 10.07am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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'They said on Jeremy Vine this morning that the plane was due for a repaint anyway'

should get some furloughed painters to do it for free... or some of the 'lads who like football' - they seemed to love union flags...

****?!!?*** plane!

'do what the Germans are doing' should have been the plan on all things C-19 it seems.

Wonder if Raab knows where Germany is?

surely this is all too overcomplicated. Google maps knows where I've been for the last 3 years since I got my phone. Even to the postcode and address - and with times too.

I reckon Boris and Cummings are trying to get one that doesn't show where THEY'VE been. Not a problem for Raab / Hancock / Williams / Patel etc. as if you just search 'a different feckin planet' then you'll find them easy enough.

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I don't know that's why I asked. Let's copy it and still sing songs about the Germans

Edit
Just thought I seem to remember people saying that Bluetooth wasn't secure and they wouldn't use it.
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   Old Thread  #3089 19 Jun 2020 at 9.40am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Why does it need to? It's a Bluetooth system monitoring contact between people. Location is irrelevant. Pity Johnson and his floundering stooges didn't realise this sooner
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Well if it works let's copy it but how well can it work if it doesn't record location?
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They have an App that doesn't record your location. No centralised storage of data etc.
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I reckon many countries would have liked it to be done the German way including Italy.
Do the Germans have a fully working app we can copy?

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I thought you'd approve of German Sing songs seeing Farage's wife is German

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A rare I totally agree with you moment
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Can you imagine the uproar if the British did what the Germans are doing. Youíd have protests by those idiots singing 10 German bombers last weekend. Farage would be too conflicted too, it wouldnít work well for the brexiteers would it!
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It's estimated that one in three firms have been claiming furlough payments from the government whilst asking employees to work. Fraud plain and simple.
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How difficult is 'do what the Germans are doing' as a concept?
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Maybe they are claiming Furlough while still working?
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Couple of people Iíve spoken to today wonít download the app for fear of being traceable if told to isolate. Reckon they canít afford to..
One is a builder the other is blatantly a drug dealer so I understand his apprehension
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They said on Jeremy Vine this morning that the plane was due for a repaint anyway

As for the app I can't see why we haven't just used one that already works which makes me wonder are we too overly cautious over data sharing etc in this country? I know some are worried but as long as they don't empty my bank account I don't give a **** who knows where I am, only paranoids and people who have done wrong need to worry
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They could all go on boris' feckin plane....


(Really annoyed me that one...)
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Mal you are doing tits a disservice cockwomble sums him up better.

Fingers crossed for the 2 coppers and their families.

At this stage it doesn't look like the riots on both weekends has caused a spike in infections. but time will tell, hopefully it doesn't and if it doesn't you have to wonder whether the virus is loosing its potency or has shelf life or more people have had it and immunity is working. Heres hoping its any of these, fingers crossed.

The App I just despair, its like every Government project Crossrail, NHS system they all end up on the scrap heap as always. Its not only Conservatives but Labour also landing us with the PFI contracts costing billions. Other countries have had problems developing their own trace Apps and why should we be no different.

JUST GET THE ****ING THING WORKING!

Apple/google already have the App running in other countries just patch into it and lets move on with it! Or just use their bespoke app.
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The stuff I get to hear mate, seriously you would not believe!!!

You will not belive how many Ming mongs are about in his life and what goes off

I am from a working class background and we had **** all, **** all I said as a kid. My dad worked at the pit and my mother never worked, he didnít want her to. 80s I was wearing hand me downs from German miners during the strike

But seriously, they walk amongst us, some proper ****ing Ming mongs, people who live like tramps,,**** in the rooms of their houses the lot, you wouldnít believe it mate honestly. I seriously wonder how they got there

Australia is too good for some!
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We need another Australia to drop people like this on , with a bag of seeds and a few potatoes of course !
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   Old Thread  #3075 18 Jun 2020 at 7.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What a tit

Hope they are both ok.



And spanker.... absolutely. What a bloody shambles. It's Apples fault cause the iPhone doesn't do distances or something...

If this WAS game of thrones this lot would be dragon droppings by now
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Two lads who my missus works with have been sent home to self isolate today. Arrested this ****er and he kicked off, injured himself, had to go to hospital. Whilst there, kicking off with all the staff, tried to test him, kept biting the swabs in half and spitting at people, finally got him tested, yep, the **** has it
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The latest u turn , the world leading app , ready for the middle of May errrr , 1st June errr ,

Utter shambles

link .




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   Old Thread  #3072 9 Jun 2020 at 11.39am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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My wife volunteered herself for a trial at St Thomas's hospital it works on some sort of app where she reports in everyday.
On Sunday morning she had a slight sore throat so the app told her to get tested so she booked at 3.30pm drive through test the same day. The result came back negative within 24hours which was the result she expected as the sore throat was short lived.
I don't know much about the scheme she is in as it's some sort of study project but the testing side which is outside the study and is widely available was impressive

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It's not St Thomas it's Kings College and no she's not bothered about privacy data
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   Old Thread  #3071 9 Jun 2020 at 7.50am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No I am... Iíd make sure that figures such as how many tests were carried out (individual people not double counting), How many people are being contact traced and quarantined, how many people are actually dying of this virus, etc.

Do you think anyone would want to know those stats at all?
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I am booked up until next spring with my building work and if i fuc* up on ant job to the extent that this lot have , i would be sacked and deservedly so
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Are you taking over when Boris goes
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Just for you, you are going to love this Bob

on borrowed time .

Following the evidence

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Boring.
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Boris's latest government advisor
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Morning
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Yep i factored in what you said and knocked 10 000 of the death figure spike , following the evidence .
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No one is ever going to know how many deaths. Some wrongly attributed to CV19, some not attributed and deaths as a consequence. There should be no surprises when all sides and medias manipulate the figures to suit their agendas.

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It's good to be kinky,so long as your cock does not end up brown and stinky
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   Old Thread  #3061 6 Jun 2020 at 1.37pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I noticed that too, throttle ****er isnít he?

Needs to be carful or he will be doing an INXS
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I'd agree that they are all contributing factors - in addition to the many deaths from C-19

I'm under no illusions that the daily Govt. figures aren't being fudged though - the ONS figures are much higher. and let's face it, Boris can't even give you truthful figures of the number of kids he's got....
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By comparing the average monthly deaths during a period where essential cancer screening, treatment and operations are cancelled; sadly some of those untreated will have moved to special or palliative care and straight into the outbreak. Other people are too scared of Covid to attend hospital for coronary problems until such time they die or get admitted already fighting for their lives in a state of lowered immunity before contracting it, neighbours and friends canít visit elderly people living alone to monitor them etc. could potentially be seen as manipulating the real figures because the number of deaths will be huge. Thatís just the number of people who have passed away without the Ďmonthly averageí standard of care in the system.
Thatís like your horse winning the national, giving it coronavirus, cutting itís leg off and wondering why it fell the following year... itís the same horse
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Braders is into strangulation Each to their own as long as it's consenting and they do it in private
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happens all the time Braders

usually the first option.


they only want to fight me after I marry them.....
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Hmm , i think you have a fan Mal , come on "tell the group "
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I bet you get yours pinched quite a bit with your long flowing locks.I bet from behind ppl can't tell if they want **** you or fight you
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Hours before openDemocracy was due to sue, government releases massive data-sharing contracts with Amazon, Microsoft, Google, Faculty and Palantir.

Everything they touch stinks of corruption , their latest effort , doomed to failure due to nepotism and corruption .

Why i will not be downloading the app

latest corruption .



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that is good news - although must be difficult to pinch someone's bum from a 1m distance....

sorry - racial stereotyping - must have spent too long on carp forum...
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That's good news Jon
Let's hope we follow

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it's nothing personal
of course not and I haven't taken anything personal
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I often think that what they are saying can't be their agenda as they can't be this incompetent , but i'm afraid they are Boris was unprepared , the shock when his experts told him the severity of his actions , i can understand the people who put him there being in denial , it's ok to admit that you are wrong , i voted for Blair , i was wrong ! i am financially better off under the Tories , but our capitalist system is too corrupt , and this lot epitomize everything that is corrupt , it has to end or get drastically better !

When you list all the failings , it's monumental ,breathtaking , no pun intended , time and time again we have been sold short as they prioritize their response on firstly , jobs and profit for the donors to the party and mates over our well being ! their contempt for us daily in the miss handling , manipulation of figures ,outright lies , whoppers . and their suppression and avoidance of criticism ,

Regarding deaths from c 19 , it's obvious that the only way that we could achieve something close to a true figure is by counting the excess deaths beyond what is normal for the months since January for previous years and its over 50 000

Tinhead , it's nothing personal , but Boris is a useless pric*, surely even you must see it now

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Everyone out and about like normal here in Italy, with 1 m social distancing, supposedly, and everyone wearing masks, lots with their nose poking out ... But the numbers continue to fall
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   Old Thread  #3049 6 Jun 2020 at 10.17am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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not much to argue against in that.

Not everyone has bought into the algorithms (a huge minority unfortunately), but it's frustrating for those of us who haven't, watching the effects of them being so dumbly defended.

You used to have to go looking for your confirmation bias, now you just sign up for it once and never have to entertain an opposing view again.
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Of course you're not going to get everyone to agree with you but that's nicely put without the I'm better than everyone else attitude
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Your final paragraph is exactly what they have done. Weíre still in their Ďdelayí phase, it was obviously just dressed up differently by government to make people think we could keep it contained but herd immunity and protection of health service capacity has always been their aim. Youíve said yourself itís spread in such minuscule aerosol droplets that infection is nigh on impossible to stop.
That early speech where they discussed herd immunity and the protection of vulnerable individuals didnít go down well across the media (we all know this is how policy is tested for public acceptance) so the very next morning Cummins and his mob had seemingly done a complete 180. Except they hadnít and everything since has been crowd control by the media with manipulated figures to keep the public indoors, to stop rebellion and to amass huge debts to keep banks happy in the knowledge that their long term interests are rosy. What we see and hear is not the government response, itís what they allow us to perceive it as. We (the general public) live our lives through social media algorithms and news cherrypicked by google, a government controlled by the likes of Cummins will simply exploit this as they did for the 2 previous big recent political events; which they won.
At least people havenít been living on McDonaldís and kfc for a brief spell, who knows, the lockdown and scaremongering may well have saved a few fat ****s lives when they finally do get cv19.
We are told Covid has killed 40k+ Iíd put money on around 30 of those simply dying WITH it, not from it.
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Who said it was my ideology, it's a mathematician analysing the charts but whatever, you'll never be wrong will you even though you haven't checked the data he is using

As long as you can keep spouting your political agenda though eh, BORING!!
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Seems to be mixed reviews on here Spank. I thought he was the peopleís champ?
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So many living in denial , it's over , Boris is a pric* , to all them that put him there , own it !


corrupt to the core .

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Me thinks you do , my response to your ideology !
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One of the main points he keeps referring to regarding the WHO charts are the peaks in the charts , so , from the peak infection date there should be a lag of somewhere around 7 - 18 days until you have peak deaths , obviously , that's how long we have been told it takes to die from the onset of symptoms , i have not checked the WHO website to confirm this , i have been watching "worldometer " for my updates , these are the important figures that i have kept my eye on since c 19 started , and the charts clearly show the lag from peak infection to peak death's of around 6 - 14 days , again i have not looked at the WHO charts ,
possible conspiracy , for what reason ? are they seeing how we would react to an event like this , i have debated quite often with people how government's could or would go about reducing their populations , as the amount of people on the planet needs reducing to sustain life , makes sense if you've got too !

Yes we are over governed and controlled , cameras everywhere facial recognition etc , i fu**in hate it !

I have read a lot of reports as to why asians don't suffer as much as us with c19 , it is suggested that they have suffered more outbreaks throughout history of similar diseases , so could of built more immunity to c19 , maybe ?

If we are all destined to catch it , lets prepare to do so , prepare as many icu beds as possible and train as many as possible in treating people with c19 and put some orders in for ventilators with companies that actually make them not just donors to the bloody Tory party same goes for ppe then make sure that the number of infected does not go above the capacity of icu beds and nurses and Doctors to treat them , simple
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Says the man who put up Black Eyed Peas
Peace, Love and Understanding
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and that's from someone who judging by the 'mostly listening to' thread is clearly 'tone' deaf!

peace and love tinhead
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It doesn't help with the 'tone' in which you write, it always seems that you are above us all, high and mighty and we must do and obey what you say.
There's plenty of down to the point and aggressive posting on here and I think we all accept we are not all going to agree and so give it back but your 'tone' is off putting. If you like it that way then that's fine but you may be limiting the responses you get back
Just saying
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I do remember you claiming to have Ďdebunkedí my previous link but as I couldnít actually see where this occurred I didnít respond
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I did mention the threat of aerosol transmission months ago ,along with the evidence to back it up , it's not hard to work out and there have been tests carried out to prove this and its a threat far beyond the 2 m guideline that we are told , just grab a handful of cement ( which is heavier and larger in size ) and throw it in the air and watch how far it carries ,

The WHO's guidance for health care workers entering a room containing someone who is infected is for them to wear a ffp 3 mask , so somebody at their most contagious ( after 3 days ) has no symptoms travels on the tube , bus etc can infect numerous people , it's not hard to work out ,

Chuffy , your link is bullshi* for the reasons i stated weeks ago ! remember , you did not respond to my debunking ,

I have come to the conclusion that under this useless , clueless bunch of fu**wits (following the evidence )all you can do is just use your common sense , i'm back on site with the lads , if we get it ,it's tough shi* , i have no faith or respect for anything Boris spouts , complete liability , again (following the evidence )

Yep there are dic*heads in all political party's
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Appreciate that bob. 👍
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We all have our thoughts. My thought is that this incident has largely gone unnoticed and I'm surprised seeing the flack others have taken and some have lost their jobs.
Let's hope the twit hasn't caught it and passed it on.
Keep safe especially after what you've been through
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Bloody Hell..... You cannot SD in the house of commons. MP's can still vote electronically, which means they are doing their job . Rees-Mogg has disenfranchised MP'S and their constituents by what he's done. Guess you only like your own interpretation of democracy .

One thing we agree on. Bailout Barry is a knob but he's in charge of jack. And not as big a knob as the lying, greased piglet that's our PM and his cabal of other ****wits, liars and spivs in the cabinet.


"In that case it's ok for you and me as well. Are you about to jeopardise your and other peoples health? I'm not because I know it's wrong. Shame on Mr Gardiner "

No.I haven't and I won't. I nearly died from pneumonia last year and spent 6 weeks in intensive care, 4 of them in a medically induced coma. Rather like a lot of virus victims.

Shame on Mr Gardiner, indeed. But even greater shame on Cummings for what he did and even more shame on the PM for lacking the balls and integrity to sack him.




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The question I ask people is why did the WHO say in February that a mask is useless for coronavirus but now say you have to wear one to be safe.

That's just it, they haven't changed their advice LINK

When and how to wear medical masks to protect against coronavirus?

If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19.
Wear a mask if you are coughing or sneezing.
Masks are effective only when used in combination with frequent hand-cleaning with alcohol-based hand rub or soap and water.
If you wear a mask, then you must know how to use it and dispose of it properly.
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A coronavirus is 0.125 of a micron and the breathing holes in an N95 mask are 0.3 microns so not only if you come into contact with the virus you are still breathing in the virus you will more than likely be clogging up some of the breathing holes on the mask with the virus that you will be carrying around with you that could then come into contact with anyone around you.
Also a mask stops 30% of your oxygen intake which in turn lowers your immune system.
Workers at the tills in shops wear gloves but do not change them so when someone gives them money or a card to pay if there is any virus on the cash or card it goes on the gloves and then would more than likely be passed onto the next person.
In my job I have to wear gloves and an apron when I see a patient then before I see the next person I have to change the gloves and apron, wash my hands and start afresh.

If people are going to catch this virus I think you have as much chance in a shop as you do a hospital.

The question I ask people is why did the WHO say in February that a mask is useless for coronavirus but now say you have to wear one to be safe.
There's so many mixed messages about all of this from the WHO and governments around the world.

All I would say is wash your hands with warm water and soap and turn off the news.
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It'll be fine, they only have 3 hours of the train journey left
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Yuuuuuuuuk!
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yeah usually manky as you like

I can't wait for the moment I actually see someone sneeze their whack into their face mask, gonna be like


deal with that
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   Old Thread  #3027 5 Jun 2020 at 4.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And no doubt the mask is ill fitting and was fit for the bin weeks ago
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   Old Thread  #3026 5 Jun 2020 at 4.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Then you have those who get a false sense of security and don't adhere to the rules

Funny you should say that, every time I've been to Tesco, if there's anyone that is going down an isle the wrong way or leaning over me to get something it's always and I mean ALWAYS some **** with a mask on without fail, my wife has noticed the exact same phenomenon as well
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   Old Thread  #3025 5 Jun 2020 at 4.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'm torn on this one. Yes you're right a covering has got to be better than nothing but this virus is highly infectious and people touch stuff and then the mask. Then you have those who get a false sense of security and don't adhere to the rules. Just got back from a very small chemist which wasn't rammed but a little bit busier than normal.
You got 3 people being sensible and the other 3 who really haven't got a clue whatsoever and before you say it I was part of the former
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   Old Thread  #3024 5 Jun 2020 at 4.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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When we are small we learn to cover our mouth when we cough / sneeze... to restrict the amount of 'germs' being spread.

Exactly, how did we ever manage that before 'Mask-gate', maybe some sort of tissue material could be employed, I should patent that idea

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   Old Thread  #3023 5 Jun 2020 at 3.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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here's my simple thinking - which has been the same throughout....

of course face masks can help. not a 100% 'cure' but a benefit nonetheless. When we are small we learn to cover our mouth when we cough / sneeze... to restrict the amount of 'germs' being spread.

now that wasn't difficult was it? I wonder if Chris Whitty needs an advisor....
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   Old Thread  #3022 5 Jun 2020 at 3.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Are those who go full Brazilian at an higher risk too?.
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   Old Thread  #3021 5 Jun 2020 at 3.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not at all

With the latest developments it's funny how the WHO advice is still the same on masks, basically they are a only needed in clinical situations where correct sanitary protocols are also in place, otherwise pointless, it's definitely a placebo for the perpetually paranoid LINK

I'm very tired of all this bull**** now, totally political.........which should cheer Spanker up
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   Old Thread  #3020 5 Jun 2020 at 2.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Tut tut I don't travel on public transport I have my own chauffeur

Actually I'm nipping out in a minute on my push bike
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   Old Thread  #3019 5 Jun 2020 at 1.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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nothing at all to do with the age related issue that links male pattern baldness to men in the post 65 age bracket... there's a scientist somewhere banging his (bald) head against a lab wall....
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   Old Thread  #3018 5 Jun 2020 at 1.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Funnily enough when I heard that I thought "apart from Mal we are all ****ed"

Just the latest in the long line of 'keep the people terrified' headlines following on from:

"there will 500,000 deaths in the UK"

"You can catch this off your shopping/parcels, better nuke them at the bottom of the garden or at very least get the bleach out"

"the kids, think of the kids.......Kawasaki (not Honda or Yamaha) disease"

"ethnic minorities where do you think you're going"

and now finally I can feel part of it with "all slap heads are dead men walking"


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   Old Thread  #3017 5 Jun 2020 at 1.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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it's not ok for him tinhead.

and it's still not ok for the rest of them either. They should ALL step down. but as you say there's a different rule for them eh?

out of interest - does your helmet count as a mask on public transport now a bit of sense has prevailed over that issue?
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   Old Thread  #3016 5 Jun 2020 at 1.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Do you think it's right Johnson and Rees-Mogg ( who shut down parliament illegally) are compelling MP's to return to parliament when the threat level is still at 4?

The rest of the country is being asked to go back to work if SD can be achieved so why not them. If they didn't they'd be accused of one rule for us but another rule for them.

Getting back to Barry. So because someone else has done wrong it's ok for him to.
In that case it's ok for you and me as well. Are you about to jeopardise your and other peoples health? I'm not because I know it's wrong. Shame on Mr Gardiner

Anyway I'm fed up talking about him now the bloke is a useless knob
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   Old Thread  #3015 5 Jun 2020 at 12.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Does anyone think this is right for a man in his position? No.

Do you think it was right for Johnson our Prime Minister, to shake hands with infected people and carry on as he did?

Do you think it was right for Cummings to accumulate nearly 400 miles of driving with a child in the car, go to another part of the country and visit a hospital while suspecting he had the virus, which he conveniently found he hadn't when he was busted?

Do you think it's right Johnson and Rees-Mogg ( who shut down parliament illegally) are compelling MP's to return to parliament when the threat level is still at 4?
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   Old Thread  #3014 5 Jun 2020 at 12.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/05/bald-men-greater-risk-serious-coronavirus-symptoms-12808352/?ico=pushly-notifcation-small&utm_source=pushly

I'm going to outlast you all....
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   Old Thread  #3013 5 Jun 2020 at 11.24am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Now that weíve established that people feel Ďblack lives matterí
Are we still up for nuking the Chinese or turning low pay to no pay?
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   Old Thread  #3012 5 Jun 2020 at 11.23am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Maybe it's because he's not a major player in parliament - so not so much fuss about it. Coupled with the fact that there are bigger news stories right now.

Rosie Duffield did the right thing - she apologised and resigned. Others still refuse to do either, so he maybe thinks he doesn't need to.

We've got rain and hail here - most effective way to keep people distanced I've seen so far!


edit - chuffy, that stats video is hard on the brain! no wonder Hancock can't get them right
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   Old Thread  #3011 5 Jun 2020 at 11.19am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well if he comes down with the virus now it proves social distancing works, if he doesn't..............
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   Old Thread  #3010 5 Jun 2020 at 11.14am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yeah great baiting needles, mines green

When in the shadow cabinet he seemed to be one of those that done very little except for political point scoring.
Still surprised this hasn't caused more of a stir though.

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I applaud his intention - but his execution of it leaves him open to criticism.
Nothing wrong with his intention but I'd say his execution is the worst example of social distancing rule breaking to date and I'm surprised more hasn't been made of it.
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   Old Thread  #3009 5 Jun 2020 at 11.11am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I applaud his intention - but his execution of it leaves him open to criticism.

Maybe he should have done in in Parliament so that Kier Starmer wouldn't have had to remind Boris to condemn what happened to George Floyd...

Perhaps he should step down - but then so should others who haven't.
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   Old Thread  #3008 5 Jun 2020 at 11.03am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Barry Gardiner is a liability. Well meaning, but useless.

His position is one of very little responsibility though, unlike Boris 'handshake' Johnson and Dominic 'eye test' Cummings.


Edit: His baiting needles are good though, mine must be 30 years old.
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