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   Old Thread  #35 15 Oct 2020 at 9.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thanks Des

I really hopes the issue is the fishmeal, in this way it is solved but only the time will tell.

I don't know if the fishmeal I used was expired, I bought it from a Dutch company and the label reads: date of expiry 11.01.2020... so, for the label, when I used it it wasn't expired. I'm more inclined to think the problem was the hight salt content onto the ingredient as johnnyfubar stated.
A mate of mine eat a peace of it and said it was really salted.

The lake I'm fishing isn't an easy water, it's big, deep and full of naturals food.

I fished with this bait in this lake for the first time after a lucky trip to cassien in August 2018 with the leftover, the first time I fished there, after a blank night, I caught a 53 lbs mirror the next morning. It was the third carp from the venue in that year. The next week I had a little common, always with the right boilie. In September caught another one but with a sweet bait, October nothing, in November I caught my Pb with the fishmeal bait a mirror over 71 lbs. With the winter coming I run off of the fishmeal baits and fished with the sweet bait.

In the 2019 from spring onwards I put all my faith on the fishmeal and during all the year I caught only one carp with the wrong bait. The only difference was the change of the fishmeal.

Now come back to the original recipe and after three sessions I caught the first carp with the bait.

If three clues prove it, maybe I'm on the right track
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   Old Thread  #34 14 Oct 2020 at 10.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Top angling Sauro What a great confidence booster

Regarding the fishmeal issue ... if you assume the change of fishmeal was the problem, therefore, nutritional recognition comes into play, which would mean that the carp can detect an inferior nutritional food source and avoid it OR possibly avoid expired fishmeals acting as repellants ? Rancidity from lipid oxidation/protein oxidation can affect palatability and overall intake of said bait. Can we really trust expiration dates, not knowing the sellers storage facilities ?

Are carp able to detect minute, specific amino acids chains in various crustaceans OR simple possible food sources emitting AAs ? Do carp actually need to eat any of our boilies, if all their nutrtional requirements are met by the abundance of naturals ?
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   Old Thread  #33 12 Oct 2020 at 6.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thanks! Well chuffed
When something like that happened is always a great achievement.
It doesn't happen often, especially fishing public waters.
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   Old Thread  #32 12 Oct 2020 at 0.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Very well done, you must be chuffed

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   Old Thread  #31 11 Oct 2020 at 8.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Just an update, after the last clue I continue to think that was the fishmeal the problem.
In September I made the original recipe with LT94 and after 3 sessions (from afternoon to mid morning) yesterday I had the first carp... And what a carp 56 lbs.
Obviously it could be only a lucky day who know, I'll see in the future, but I'm sure this recipe will never be changed
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   Old Thread  #30 11 Jan 2020 at 2.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Effort = reward
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   Old Thread  #29 10 Jan 2020 at 9.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ah but one day it will have an epic entry!!!
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   Old Thread  #28 10 Jan 2020 at 9.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I count because I take notes of the conditions and swims I fished on those nights, I record all fish too with rigs conditions bait used etc.. so far that page is empty on this lake lol
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   Old Thread  #27 9 Jan 2020 at 7.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Wow Matt I knew it was tough but didnít realise it was that sparse!! I love them places and the feeling when you get the reward is worth every night you spend there. Never count Blanks tho as it adds to frustration. Each night is a step closer on the learning scale
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   Old Thread  #26 9 Jan 2020 at 6.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Oh I forgot to say I am in it for the long haul.. I was fishing next to a regular who has been fishing it for 15+ years, he has had a few but he is currently on 60 nights without a fish, I started in July and only heard of 1 fish being caught since then, even through the autumn which is the best time of year.
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   Old Thread  #25 9 Jan 2020 at 6.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I use fishmeal all year round too seems to always work!
I intend to do the same as what you describe only with maggots instead of hemp. If I get casters at least they wont wriggle away.
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   Old Thread  #24 8 Jan 2020 at 8.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Good advice sir.
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   Old Thread  #23 8 Jan 2020 at 7.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Matt Rockford isnít an easy venue at any time of year but winter can be hard anywhere. Most lakes will see an increase in bird activity due to the clear water and them seeing the bait easily. They are a pain for me too so I tend to bait up at dusk as bite time is early morning at the mo. Maggots can bring bites for sure if the roach and bream are not a problem. I was getting at the fact that I would doubt a certain fishmeal is the reason for not getting bites at any time of the year and that other factors are probably the reason. Me and my close mates have been using good fishmeal/milk protein mixes all year round and itís worked everywhere but we know how and when to apply them to suit. One little tip, use crumb and hemp in the spod and some matching liquids so that even when all the birds turn up they cannot pick it all up and buy yourself time. I watched a coot take all of my 30 odd 12mm boilies recently in 15 feet of water, but I didnít panic as I had hemp crumb and tiny flavoured pellets on the spot and he could not pick all of them up!! The bite came about half hour after mr coot was sat in the reeds burping!!
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   Old Thread  #22 8 Jan 2020 at 6.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I will report back let you know how I get on
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   Old Thread  #21 8 Jan 2020 at 6.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Where I have been fishing there is a lovely spot at 14 wraps and I always have a rod positioned there, i have seen fish there too.
What I mean by the range thing is fish will naturally feed without caution in areas they know anglers do not fish, they are not stupid.. I have seen it on every lake I've ever fished, if you can place a bait somewhere they are not used to being fished for they will be easier to catch. For instance where I was last fishing the water levels were up and down and a bar at 50 yards sticking out the water for several months due to low water levels meant the area past it was unfisheable. The fish loved this area and got accustomed to it being a safe zone. As soon as the levels were high enough to fish over it, the fish were almost easy to catch!
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