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   So, here’s the situation regards the builders.
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   Old Thread  #63 18 Feb 2021 at 6.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Exactly.

Boils the p155 mate.
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   Old Thread  #62 18 Feb 2021 at 9.55am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And they wonder why people take the law into there own hands where is the justice system
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   Old Thread  #61 16 Feb 2021 at 5.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Totally sucks mate.
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   Old Thread  #60 16 Feb 2021 at 5.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That's ****

You need those 'Can't Pay We'll Take It Way' blokes
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   Old Thread  #59 16 Feb 2021 at 4.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Update regards canopy.

The builder in question by order of the courts required him to provide to me three chartered surveyors who would do a report on the canopy in which I’d then choose one from the three.

However I never heard anything from the builder ‘surprising considering he had previously told the judge that he’d done a quality piece of work when building the canopy’.

Anyway, the telephone call was at 10am with the courts, myself and builder in question. Come 10am I receive and answer the call. The judge then telephoned the builder on both numbers provided by him and there was no answer from him. Hardly surprising?.

Due to the judge stating that he now has to kick out the claimants claim I then asked what happens now in relation to recovering the costs I’ve incurred defending this claim made against me. I was asked if I had put in a counterclaim when the claim had made against me. I explained how could i counterclaim when I couldn’t foresee of what it would cost to defend myself?. To this the judge said that I’m entitled to nothing but I can bring a claim against the builder for my costs incurred. The judge also stated that I should have counter claimed in relation to what it would cost to have it taken down to which my response to that was to state my immediate thoughts was to how I need to defend myself against a claim for money owed against me. He understood but as you’d expect couldn’t care less.

Even if I did issue a claim the courts do not enforce any monies owed to me and if the builder in question doesn’t pay then I’d have to persue a seperate Claim for non payment.

I said to the judge how can the builder put me through this and then he himself faces no consequences for his actions in causing undue stress etc etc to which he couldn’t offer an explanation other than for me to issue a claim against him.

It’s truly disgusting that the builder gets the best of both worlds having pressed for monies and yet doesn’t carry out an order that he was told to do. He was aware he would have come unstuck and yet he isn’t held accountable in wasting time and for what he’s put me and us as a family through.

I knew that if I was awarded any expenses incurred that there was a possibility that I wouldn’t get paid and that I’d need to then issue another claim for non payment. To combat this I would have explained that when the builder pays me ‘if he did pay that is’ then I’d donate it to the Douglas Macmillan hospice ‘as that is where the builders mother in law had end of life cancer care’ then I would forward the receipt to him. The reason behind me doing this would have being so the builder then thought that he was keeping funding from the charity and not necessarily from myself.

Edit - In short if you thinking of chasing someone through the courts for non payment even after you know you’ve carried out shocking work that you can have your cake and eat it as there will be no consequences that your actions have caused to others.

Edit - Ps, due to other ongoing issues with my daughters home caused by this builder and the stress it has caused to my daughter, wife and myself I won’t be issuing a counterclaim for my costs incurred as it’s now time to protect as best I can my own and families health and to do this means not becoming embroiled in a counterclaim. As previously mentioned monies was going to be donated to a charity so it’s not like I’d be getting anything out of it anyway.
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   Old Thread  #58 5 Dec 2020 at 6.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Indeed mate a specialist bath. The bath was just under £12,000.

Fortunately my daughters solicitors look after her finances and are accountable to the court of protection and as such they have a duty to recoup whatever monies they can which will ‘after they’ve found absolutely everything wrong with the house’ involve entering litigation with the chartered surveyor who for some unbeknown reason gave the builders a practical completion certificate. The builders have got out of jail right there. The building company that did the work I notice that their website was under maintenance for a few months and now it looks like they’ve took that website down. Would not surprise me if they’re going to fold the company.

Yep, we’ll keep at it mate.

So sorry to hear that you’ve problems and no recourse too. I don’t know how I would cope if I didn’t have ‘well my daughter’ have any recourse as I’d be mess mentally. Hope that you’re able to sort something/anything out.

Good luck mate and all the best.
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   Old Thread  #57 4 Dec 2020 at 2.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I take it the bath/bed are specialist kit T, hence the girders for weight?

Just as well you queried it mate, I bet most wouldn't, they should be brought to account for the potential concequences regardless and you should be compensated imo.

Keep at it

I'm in a similar position with the house we've moved into but I have no recourse!
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   Old Thread  #56 1 Dec 2020 at 7.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Steel girders were put in under where the bath is and yet when the bath was put in situ the right side of the bath is sitting on the fcuking joists. All got to be inspected, report done and then done properly to how it should have being done in the first place. Thank goodness I had the sense of mind to ask for this to be checked as alarm bells rang in my mind after discovering that they’d not re-enforced the floor under the bed.

House is currently to a shell, everything has to be ripped out including the whole kitchen.

I’ll be asking the question and would hope that these builders ‘well, cowboys’ are brought to task with the health and safety board or whoever has to ‘if anyone’ has to know.

Unfcukingbelievable.

How they sleep at night I do not know.
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   Old Thread  #55 13 Nov 2020 at 9.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thank goodness my daughter was never ever in a position to move in because imagine going through the bedroom floor where cables and pipes run.

It’s pretty disturbing to be honest.
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   Old Thread  #54 13 Nov 2020 at 8.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Have Channel 4 signed you up yet? They'd get a couple of series out of this saga.
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   Old Thread  #53 13 Nov 2020 at 5.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Uncovered other major issues.

First floor bedroom floor was inspected by a structural engineer to see if it required reinforcing in which it did. Since discovered that despite being signed off as completed it was never done by the builder, well certainly not to the recommendation. New chartered surveyor involved cannot make any sense from how the builder has tried to reinforce it and makes no difference in adding any support. Edit- Still, not to worry as there is only electric cables and water pipes that run through the joists.

Drainage makes no sense whatsoever and also being questioned is regards the soil pipe as they don’t even know where the ***** etc is going to. As such an inspection and report has got to be undertaken,

Been pretty much relaxed over it all but now I hope that whatever happens the health and safety ‘or whoever become involved’ have to become involved.
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   Old Thread  #52 8 Sept 2020 at 5.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Understand what you’re saying but imagine if they’d have valued it at half of just over £475.

It’s unbelievable and thank you mate.
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   Old Thread  #51 8 Sept 2020 at 5.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Maybe give the canopy a nominal value of £1?

Hope you get this sorted.
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   Old Thread  #50 8 Sept 2020 at 3.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Update.

To cut a long story short a telephone conversation ensued this morning with the builder and the courts.

It was due to last 30 minutes.

I was told that the canopy does have a value and if I wish to proceed with mediation today then I would have to acknowledge this.

If something that has been built ‘namely a canopy’ does not meet regulations and standards then how could it have a value when it’s not serving a purpose that it is supposed to?.

I explained that I do not accept that it has a value due to not meeting regulations and standards. I was then informed that it would now have to be decided by yet another telephoning meeting ‘in due course’ which will be listed as lasting a possible 2 hours.

Any input be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Edit - for those that may have not kept up with this thread then the builder in question was given ample opportunity to do so to put it right. Obviously he felt he’d explored every opportunity and because of this issued his claim for money against me. The very next day having the builder read my reply to how I plan on getting my evidence together his mother telephoned asking if her son and her husband could call to my property to put the canopy right.

Seems to me that after he had read my reply and how I planned on busting the evidence he claimed he could provide to the courts that he wasn’t going to provide it as easy as he thought he would do hence to why his mother telephoned offering to now put the canopy right.

Not bad too considering that in his witness statement he claimed I’d being aggressive and abusive and yet here is his mum asking me if they could come to my property. No evidence of his accusations only 5 submitted photos of the canopy he built. Anyone would think I’m disputing that he even built it.

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   Old Thread  #49 8 Mar 2020 at 10.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It’s all very entertaining.

Going see if Dom would like to do a shoot or three.
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