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   Old Thread  #49 16 Oct 2019 at 8.14am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Waiting for Nashy to bring out a 200 yd baiting pole 😊 .
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   Old Thread  #48 15 Oct 2019 at 7.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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We're going to have to agree to disagree on bait boats I'm afraid.

My reasons are simple enough. Nothing to do with progress or innovation. I made no criticism of anglers with bivvies on the Orient. And to clarify the personal stash comment it was reiterating my primary point about the fish being there because it's where they live rather than purely for people to catch them and if there are areas that are unfishable then I'm good with that.

I fish for lots of reasons. Thinking time, appreciation of nature, talking to other anglers. If I blank, I blank. I'm fine with it.

I do my thing and let others do theirs and occasionally I offer my wisdom on here (that's tongue in cheek).

I know Windermere well and used to fish a lot of the lakes with my dad who managed to catch pike without a bait boat...

Best of luck to you and watch out for the swans up there. They don't take prisoners!
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   Old Thread  #47 15 Oct 2019 at 7.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
The problem with this argument is that Iíd guess most of the people on here who use bait boats are exactly the sort of people who wouldnít take the piss when using one. But rules are created because of the morons whoíve created issues in the past.

I guess most of the people on here know how to set up a leadcore leader properly. But they are still banned on loads of waters cos the owners canít make you take some sort of competency exam before you fish.

I fish some exceptional waters, with some highly skilled anglers, who make me look a total numpty, these are exactly the sort of place where youíd think there would be no need to have rules, but they still have them cos thereís no accounting for the odd fish at all costs, spoil it for everyone else, bellend.
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   Old Thread  #46 15 Oct 2019 at 6.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Nothing to do with personal stash, strange comment! itís about fishing a venue as effectively as possible. If Iím on Windermere and the lake goes from a few feet in the margins to a 20ft drop off 100 yards out (like many lakes up there do ) the fish will be on the drop off. So you are basically either saying we shouldnít fish them or you have to cast as far as you can but probably blank. Absolute tosh.
Fishing has moved on, if you disapprove of anglers for example bivvy/boating on places like the orient fine..... donít criticise them, just do your own thing as by the sounds of it youíd quite like us to go back to split cane rods and bent pins for hooks.
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   Old Thread  #45 15 Oct 2019 at 5.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
It doesnt bother me either way tbh if someone wants to use a bait boat let them. I will say though I would much prefer someone using a bait boat to put there bait in then some idiot spombing the hell out of the water right next to me and not caring if it effects anyones else fishing.

I do own a bait boat but use my spomb more often. I only use my boat on one water only and that's because of certain pegs if you can get under a tree line it gives u a massive advantage and before anyone says it's not dangerously under the trees into snags the tree canopy stops about 5 to 6 foot above the water. As for everywhere else I dont use it but that's personal preference
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   Old Thread  #44 15 Oct 2019 at 5.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Luckily the only time I see them is when I fish in France. Then it amazes me watching them use them even for an under arm chuck!
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   Old Thread  #43 15 Oct 2019 at 4.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'm not narrow minded just because my opinion differs from yours.

As I said. If there are areas on any lake that cannot be reached and so give the fish some respite then I'm happy with that.

Cassien and Windermere weren't created for you to catch at all costs I'm afraid. The pike in Windermere aren't your own personal stash.

On commercial waters that are purpose built I guess it's up to the owner to set their own rules. As I said also, if it was me I'd have a ban.

I fish the sea from the beach too. There are loads of places I can't cast to there. I still catch and still enjoy it.
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   Old Thread  #42 15 Oct 2019 at 3.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Imho if you only fish in what most people would call 'your swims water' i.e only half way across and only half way to each swim either side. Then you can cast , or use a catapult or method ball . Or bait boat to your hearts content. I personally fish waters. where bait boats are banned .spombing is minimal due to encouraging Bream. Also the carp are wary of heavy baiting, all the anglers in the know, bait lightly and as quietly as possible .Ffs most actually use catapults after dark because the gulls will eat 95% of what you put out in daylight. Especially if you can't put a large pouchfull out at a time. If your fishing a longer range mark then it's essential to be spombing accurately.
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   Old Thread  #41 15 Oct 2019 at 3.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Narrow minded comment, ban them from all waters!
So you would rather have people casting into trees and onto islands and snapping rigs off into lakes rather than a bait boat. Anglers who think they can cast are more of an issue than bait boat users. Anglers who take 10 attempts to get it on a spot are more of an issue than bait boats. Anglers who spomb the water to death are more of an issue than bait boats.
Whatís your thoughts on big European waters like Cassien? Canít we fish those anymore either as you have to row your boats out in a lot of instance there as well.

According to your logic as well, as a pike angler I can no longer fish for example half the marks on Windermere because i canít cast a big mackerel bait and 3oz lead over hundred yards in a cross wind to the drop offs.
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   Old Thread  #40 15 Oct 2019 at 3.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
The beauty is we have the choice. On all the water I fish, and the vast majority of those I'm considering fishing, they're already banned anyway. Plenty of waters that allow them so something for all of us.
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   Old Thread  #39 15 Oct 2019 at 3.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Hi all

Before this goes too far, i know there are a number of very accomplished anglers on this forum who use bait boats basically for medical reasons ( be it arthritis, sciatica or other reasons).
No reason they werent better casters than most in their day and no reason for them to get grief on here or be banned from venues because of it.
Its education of the the idiots not dictatorial "nanny state" rules thats going to improve things
No real reason anyone's put forward that should lead to a ban on bait boats apart that idiots are allowed to buy them and apparently people that cant afford them want them banned?

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   Old Thread  #38 15 Oct 2019 at 3.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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But you get that with people casting over your lines ..... I say ban casting if you can't use a bait boat don't go fishing
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   Old Thread  #37 14 Oct 2019 at 8.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #36 14 Oct 2019 at 8.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'd ban them on all waters. If you can't cast to it then you shouldn't be able to fish it. If there are areas on a lake where the fish can be without being disturbed then fair enough.

I used to fish a venue where there were some 'regulars' who would think nothing of driving their little toy over my baits from 100 yards or more and then get p*ssy with me if I hooked and picked up their lines.

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   Old Thread  #35 14 Oct 2019 at 8.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes self righteous boat owners who piss others off and think they are the problem
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