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   Old Thread  #40 1 Jul 2020 at 7.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You're welcome mate... I've used flying and running ones but not used captive ones yet
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   Old Thread  #39 1 Jul 2020 at 6.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thanks for that mate, I've used the running backleads in that case, the captive ones I had were the Fox ones attache to a long length of some bright orange braid
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   Old Thread  #38 1 Jul 2020 at 6.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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A flying backlead stays on the line for the cast, and then flies back up the line landing a bit behind your rig. These are good when the clear area is small or you have depth changes/features between the rods and your rig to deal with making the next two less effective at pinning the line down.

A normal running backlead gets clipped on your line after casting out and would generally stay on until you wind in. This is good when there is no weed, although most do drop off now if they become snagged. You can swing them out further than captive ones so they are good for lakes with a marginal shelf drop off or marginal weed.

The captive backleads come off on the pickup but have to stay pretty much under the rod tips, that's OK if it's pinning your line down to the bottom all the way to the rigs and there are no obstructions in the way.
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   Old Thread  #37 1 Jul 2020 at 4.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Just to add to things, flyting or captive backleads?
I've used both in the past and felt happier with the captive ones that drop off on the take or when you lift the rod.
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   Old Thread  #36 1 Jul 2020 at 3.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I use the Rig Marole clip on backleads and absolutely love them.
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   Old Thread  #35 1 Jul 2020 at 3.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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There's a good article on backleads and when to use them on the carpology website by Rob Hughes
Answers pretty much everything you'd need to know about them
Well worth a read, Hughes always gets it spot on with the underwater knowledge he has.

Just go to the Carpology website and search backlead in the search bar
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   Old Thread  #34 1 Jul 2020 at 3.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thanks for the last few replies. I did kinda think the same, but when two or three people enforce the point, it just makes you thinks it's worth checking. I'm not very knowledgeable about carp fishing so it's important for me to understand little bits as I go along. Thanks again.
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   Old Thread  #33 30 Jun 2020 at 5.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I don't think you can get a precise answer because objects weigh less underwater due to displacement... 1oz on land is not as heavy underwater.

As long as it holds bottom it will be fine, never really had an issue that's led to me thinking about it in reality.


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   Old Thread  #32 30 Jun 2020 at 5.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Just buy a pack of backleads and use them. That's it, all they do is hold line that sinks anyway on the bottom.
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   Old Thread  #31 30 Jun 2020 at 9.46am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You are way over thinking it. Don't he so fixated on what weighs what, it's pretty much irrelevant.
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   Old Thread  #30 30 Jun 2020 at 8.38am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Used the Fox captive back leads for years and never even thought about what weight they are. The line moves through the gate or if a take occurs the gate opens.
I did change the horrible lime green or orange braid to ESP lead core leader with the lead removed.
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   Old Thread  #29 30 Jun 2020 at 7.50am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Probably.... But I'm just trying to get it clear in my head.

My indicators are 16g, but I'd only slide and use the full weight if fishing at distance... and if I was, I wouldn't normally need backleads.

If I was mid water, I'd use half the slider so I suppose half the weight of 8g. It just seems that 9g+ is a lot of weight to use for that approach, but I'd be willing if needed.
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   Old Thread  #28 30 Jun 2020 at 1.04am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think you’re over thinking it mate. your back leads should generally be as light as possible but obviously heavier than your hangers.

i would say at least half an ounce and no more than one ounce.
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   Old Thread  #27 29 Jun 2020 at 11.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Anyone?
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   Old Thread  #26 28 Jun 2020 at 10.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi, sorry for bumping this, but I'm after some advice. I don't fish often so I've never really thought of the importance of some of the things mentioned in the discussion. Any advice would be really appreciated:

I have the fox mini swingers. I was sold on these as they apparently cater for all scenarios. They have a 16g sliding weight, but all I know is that I should have the weight tight up to the gate when fishing at distance (100yd+) and I should tighten the line to get the best indication. The other option (I know of) is to push the slider all the way towards the opposite end if fishing close in, like a margin, cause I'll be slack lining. If I'm out at my normal range of 50 to 80 yards, I just put it in the middle. Is that about right?

I don't like tightening up the line too much so the idea of a back lead sounds pretty good. But this brings up another issue. I use 3.5oz gemini arc leads (confidence issue more than anything) so I don't know what weight back leads I'd need to use. The total of my arc lead is obviously 3.5oz (on a heli style system) and the slider is 16g (so 4.06oz total). What weight back leads do I need?

I honestly think they will help with my fishing as I fish a pretty weed free water with depths of around 2ft in the margin, down to 8ft in the middle with no snags and plenty of gravel patches in varying sizes.
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