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CPK1979

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#361 30 Mar 2020 at 5.38pm

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Thanks all

Rigsbin

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#360 30 Mar 2020 at 11.31am

In reply to Post #353
Thanks for this - excellent post and generous of you to share.

Got some Chinese salt and pepper seasoning from Home Bargains that I'll be playing with

Keebs

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#359 30 Mar 2020 at 10.50am

Take some dry tiger nuts. You need some high fructose corn syrup, some raw cane and Demerara sugars. No Cola, no energy drinks. All contain to many other man made nasties, to reach fermented nirvana with a tiger nut. It's just not happening with these things. I wrote about cola tigers donkeys years ago... There are much better ways though. Here are two of them. One way is dry after cooking, similar to the maize. The other is wet, to produce tiger slime. Real tiger slime. Both are deadly. For hook baits, I prefer the dry after boiling way. For baiting purposes, the tiger slime cannot be beaten. It's solubility, and draw power is hard to match. Prepared correctly, it sinks like a brick. It will permeate into the bottom, and they will dig for it long after no food is present. For tiger slime. Take 1kg of dry tigers. Soak in warm sugared water from the kettle, for twenty four hours. Not to much raw cane sugar for the soaking/boiling purpose. Once the tigers are full size. Boil them for twenty minutes. Place the tigers, and all of the water into a large bucket. Add more boiling water. The water should now cover the tigers by no more than three inches. Whack a load of cane sugar in. Whack a load of Demerara sugar in. Whack a good slug of high fructose corn syrup. Stir it all up. Place next to a radiator for three days. What you are looking to achieve, is a very thick slime. This will start to develop after three days. By day four or five, they will be at their very optimum. This slime, is absolutely electric. It's full of fermenting tiger goodness. I use the slime and some of the tigers for baiting purposes. I freeze the rest of these tigers. I like to produce more slime for my angling, than I need tigers to use. They get used on the river at some stage for baiting. The slime is where it is at, with that one though. It's very time specific, and you cannot control that slime, with salt or preservatives.

For hook bait tigers and free bait. Follow the same process, exactly. After boiling, drain all of the water away. Place back into the bucket steaming. Add a load of raw cane and Demerara sugar. A big old handful. Add some high fructose corn syrup, just a couple of table spoons. Shake it all up. And place onto a radiator with the lid on tight, for three days minimum. Keep shaking them whilst on the radiator. The sugar and heat, will help create some of mother natures magic inside the nut. The corn syrup, will coat the outside of the tigers with the sugars. This stops air getting to them, and allows magic to work inside of the nut far better. This is fermentation of a tiger nut. After three days, I like to add a handful of natural salts to them. These are now electric, for another five days. After this they will start to smell of alcohol. They will work well still, but are no where near as effective in my eyes after five days. I do not freeze them. I make them, when I need them. A very small handful of these, less is more... A small handful of electric maize, is really all that is needed. Use these on top of your normal feed situation with freezer baits. They will improve it, massively so.
In the photographs, is a 40lb+ fully scaled. In it's mouth, is a pink crushed cork S2 17mm pop up. With a turbo charged tiger nut on top. Holding up a size 4 hook and metal work. A snow man, on a stiff hinge rig... Great rig mechanics, two different hook baits, charged with electricity. This fish was caught from a totally natural UK pit. It has no silly name. From a gravel bar, cleared of all weed, by tiger slime mainly, and big carp. They ripped it to bits. Dug it out. Pretty simple to catch, when you drive them wild first.
Good luck, you will not need it, not if you prepare those particles correctly above. 😎
Mark

wingnuttz

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#358 30 Mar 2020 at 10.47am

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T Carper - out of interest do you do the s3 in balanced? on the website you only have the pop ups

Cheers

TCarper

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#357 30 Mar 2020 at 10.42am

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I'll find it for you mate. I should have it somewhere on my computer, or on our Faceache somewhere. I'll have a look for you today after work.

CPK1979

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#356 29 Mar 2020 at 2.59pm

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T carper... you once put a guide on marking tiger slime on here but i can�t find it.

Any chance you can add it again?

ocelot

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#355 29 Mar 2020 at 2.49pm

In reply to Post #353
I always rated the S1, had a double hook up on them on a syndicate lake that had otters on it 300yards away at the time, when you first marketed the 1+2. It was unheard of

Thanks for posting the advice and tips.

TCarper

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#354 29 Mar 2020 at 2.17pm

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...Place the plate on a warm radiator. For the first two hours that the plate is on the radiator, you need to swirl the plate around every twenty minutes or so, making sure that none of the hook baits are stuck together, or to the plate itself. They will still pick up a touch more powder. If you do not have a double radiator, that a plate will sit on, use a coffee table and stacking on the table with something suitable to be able to rest that plate onto of the radiators top. After the first two hours swirling, you can just leave the hook baits to dry over a 48 hour period. The ceramic plate acts like a small warming table once it warms up, it's important to use a real plate to dry the coating and not a plastic one for that reason.

Once the hook baits are fully dried, put them into a tub, and they are ready to be used whenever you need them. The coatings will not come off inside the tub, you have literally welded them to the outside of the hook bait, with a pure natural protein, fully water soluble gelatine mixture. The moment the coating is wet, liquid transfer from inside the hook bait itself is immediate, through the coating. The coatings, depending on the coarseness of powder used/ water temperatures, will last from eight to twelve hours out in the lake. Test one in the edge, or in a bowl of water at home.

Try to keep the lid screwed up tight in damp weather, as the coatings do not react that well with moisture. If you ever fish on a foggy night and the coating gets damp in the tub from moisture in the air whilst opening... Just pop them on a plate and dry them back out on the radiator when you get home. They will be as good as new again.

Something to do whilst stuck at home... When you can get out and finally go fishing again... You'll get a massive buzz catching loads of fish on something you made yourself, whilst stuck at home.

Take care of you and yours, and stay safe all.

Mark

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TCarper

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#353 29 Mar 2020 at 2.09pm

Something for you all to do to avoid boredom whilst stuck at home.... Hard coating your hook baits in the powders of your choice.

I posted this on social media yesterday, it's very simple to do... With items you will all already have at home in your bait making kits. Gelatine can be got from the bakery isle of most supermarkets, or for pennies delivered to your front door from auction sites. I'll pop some photographs in the following post. Any powdered coating you so wish can be used, absolutely anything at all... From Betaine, to GLM... And anything at all in between. The first hook bait we ever sold alongside the S2, was the hard coated S1. We only stopped selling these various coated hook baits last year, as the time consumption of the drying process of this coating, on such a grand scale... Became to much of a time constraint to us, in as far as for filling our orders in a timely manner. Since we stopped selling our coated hook baits, our time frame for deliveries, has been in a much greater place because of it ever since.

That does not stop you from doing it yourself, on a much smaller scale at home though. Applying powdered coatings to your hook baits, can really give them an extra edge. Depending on the powders used, this will last up to eight hours in warm water, or up to twelve hours in cold water. Slowly pinging off particles of your chosen powder.

What you will need. Some hook baits. These will need to be quite buoyant, if you are wanting to coat pop ups, as the coating will add a small amount weight, until it eventually dissolves. Any shelf life hook bait can be coated, bottom baits, wafters or pop ups, as long as they are shelf life. You will need an oven, some powdered gelatine, standard small packets from the baking isle of the supermarket are fine. Really cheap on the auction site too, and delivered to your door. A baking tray, some tin foil, a saucepan, a couple of bowls and two small plates. There is nothing complicated, it's a very simple process indeed. The powdered coating, is completely down to you. Any powders that you have at home... Appetite simulators, powdered sweeteners, savoury seasonings, milks... The list is absolutely endless... Your kitchen already likely contains a few hidden gems in the cupboards! I hard coated some S2 crushed corks, in a Caribbean BBQ seasoning a few years ago, just for my own personal fishing... A very salty, strong tasting seasoning in a jar from the supermarket. I choose that particular seasoning, simply because it just tasted and looked right to me. The very first time I tried one of these BBQ coated S2 on one rod, I caught a 43lb mirror from Burghfield, within just thirty minutes of the coated hook bait being in the water. Lots of the coating was still on the bait, even after playing the fish in from distance. (First two photos). You get to pick what mixture you coat them in, and when you catch on them for the first time, it will give you an extra buzz.

The hook baits which you are going to hard coat, need to be thoroughly dried before you start. First, you need to mix up some gelatine powder with water. Do this in a bowl, with boiling water underneath it in a saucepan. This stops the gelatine from burning, and allows you to heat the gelatine back up gently, if it starts to set whilst you are preparing your hook baits. A couple of inches of water in a saucepan, with a ceramic cereal bowl placed inside the saucepan sitting in the water. Heat the water in the saucepan first, then mix your gelatine solution inside the ceramic bowl with boiling water. You really do not need to go crazy with the gelatine. It only takes a small amount to set a pint of water. You will only be using a fraction of this amount of water to coat a few tubs of hook baits. Add the gelatine until your water just starts to thicken slightly. If you add to much, you can always add a bit more boiling water. Have your powders already mixed in a bowl that you wish to coat your hook baits in. Place your hook baits, a few at a time into the gelatine solution and stir them around with a spoon, ensuring they are completely covered. Take the hook baits out with a spoon, draining them on the side of the bowl as you do so. These wet hook baits should be put onto a clean plate, and swirled around to remove excess gelatine. Then simply tip the hook baits into your bowl of powders. Use a clean spoon to move the hook baits around in the bowl of powders, ensuring that all the hook baits are completely covered in the powders. Transfer these hook baits to an oven tray, which is covered in tin foil to avoid sticking, and has a thin layer of your powders on. Never fill the tray more than half full with hook baits, or they will stick when placed into the oven. Swirl the oven tray around, ensuring that the hook baits pick up even more of the powdered coating. You will find that once they have sat on the tray for a few minutes, they will become damp on the outside again, and more powder can be picked up by swirling them around. Your oven should be pre heated, at a temp of 120 degrees with the fan on if your oven has one. Place the baking tray inside the oven for approximately 40 seconds to a minute... All you are looking to do at this stage, is remove a touch of the water from the gelatine. If you keep them in the oven for to long, they will stick together and turn into a horrible stuck together mess! 40 seconds-one minute, then take them out and swirl around on the oven tray... They will pick up even more powder. Transfer these hook baits to a small ceramic plate or similar, and apply a bit more powder. Put them somewhere cold, like just outside the back door for five minutes. These are now 'set', but still need to be dried thoroughly. We have a drying unit at work for the hook baits, but when I first started making these coated hook baits for my own personal use... I used a radiator, just like you can at home. Place the plate on a warm radia

TCarper

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#352 23 Mar 2020 at 10.54am

In reply to Post #351
Well done James!

The yellow ones are the S4 mate. You're right. There is nothing you can buy off of the shelf that compares to them. Mainly because they are not a bulk standard pop up mix, the base mix of every single hook bait we make, is high grade food. We only use natural cork for our buoyancy, which allows us to use much heavier, entirely food based base mixes. The corks buoyancy also allows us to cure them repeatedly in heavy liquids, without affecting the buoyancy.

I had a lovely PM from another member yesterday, telling me he himself had bagged a couple of 40's and a mid thirty fully scaled. Messages like yours and his, are a great distraction to all this mess which is going on around us at the moment. So thank you again.

You'll continue to slay them mate.

Jimbo6745

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#351 22 Mar 2020 at 5.25pm

bit of a coincidence this but I brought some of your pop ups around 6 months ago but due to my little girl being ill I haven't had the chance to do any fishing until the last few weekends. My syndicate has been fishing tricky no fish out for a few weeks at a time I started of on some high attract pop ups (yellow and white) couldn't get a take despite fish being active and right on me. I then switched over to your garlic pro biotic and your yellow pop ups sorry I cant remember the name the pen on the lid has rubbed off in the rain. same spot as before same colour and the yellow went twice couple of low twenties first fish of the year.

went for a night Friday lake was very busy all the best pegs taken no fish out that week despite the fish being active. both of my rods on yellow chucked to showing fish a hour later first 30 of the year and only person to catch the last few weekends. never giving much thought into bait I have been quite happily picking my pop ups of the shelf but there is clearly a gap of some distance between the off the shelf pop ups and the ones you offer so much so my fruity ones have been demoted back to the cupboard. only problem is that i have just ordered a load of flavours to start rolling my own pop ups and wafters for the first time. when i should of just brought a years supply of yellows

there so unique i dont even think i could get close trying to roll my own. but credit where its due i will be using them alongside my homemades this year

TCarper

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#350 22 Mar 2020 at 1.35pm

In reply to Post #349
Thanks Wayne.

Wayne

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#349 21 Mar 2020 at 4.37pm

In reply to Post #348
Welcome back Mark.......

TCarper

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#348 21 Mar 2020 at 2.45pm

How are we all?

All good I hope and no one has this disgusting virus. I've been in Brazil for the past three weeks. I came home on Thursday to armageddon in the UK. I travelled via Paris/GDG... I've never seen anything like it. A completely empty airport, all duty free shops and stores in the airport shut. No one about at all (which I was very pleased about to be fair). My flight from Brazil to Paris had just twelve passengers on board. My flight from Paris to London had just five passengers. Heathrow was completely empty. Far less passengers than you would normally expect at our busiest airport.

I was sorely tempted to ride this out in Brazil, which is one of the last countries to be effected by the virus. But even Brazil as I left had a massive spike in cases, and panic was starting to set in there too. I was advised by the British embassy to try and get back if I could, which swayed my thinking in the end. It was very hard to know what to do in reality, stay with loved ones in Brazil, or get back to loved ones in the UK. My thinking was that we had enough stock to keep things running in the UK for around a month. But I was advised by someone from the embassy, that a world wide travel ban was likely coming, and would last from three months, to a year. I had to get back in reality under those circumstances.

As I'm sure all of you who have been ordering well know, all orders have been going out for the past few months in around a week currently. Ever since I stream lined the products that we sell last year, order times have been in a much greater place. We are still ticking over with orders currently, but after an incredibly busy start to the year... Things have slowed down considerably orders wise over the past week understandably with all this chaos going on.

My son is a paramedic in Berkshire, so I've been hearing first hand from him how badly this virus has been hitting our country over the past two weeks. (None of which reach the official figures). It's been scary hearing the cases he is attending daily going up and up every single day. His mother, my ex wife was diagnosed with the virus last week, and has spent ten days in isolation in hospital since first diagnosed. She is 46, with no previous medical conditions... But was hit very hard by this. For five days she was on a ventilator, unable to breath unaided. Luckily she has improved massively over the past few days, and they are talking about letting her go home within the next few days. While I have been in Brazil, I've seen so much stuff on social media, talking as though this is all some conspiracy, when nothing could actually be further from the truth. My son has been attending so many cases on a daily basis, all with the same symptoms and a great difficulty breathing.

I had to visit the supermarket yesterday, I went at 7am when they first opened. I've never seen anything like it, absolute carnage at 7am. Very little stuff on the shelves, and all of that had gone by 7.15am. I managed to get some food, and very luckily I had brought back 15 toilet rolls in my suitcase from Brazil because there was nothing like that at all on the shelves. No sugar, no pasta, no tea bags, most of the food I managed to get were the last or close to it items on the shelf. What really surprised me, was no one in the supermarket (100's it was packed) apart from me and a few others were wearing face masks.

All of our current orders from the past week will be going out on Monday. Hopefully this will all pass soon. I'm meant to be getting married in June, already that is looking very unlikely to happen in this current situation. Stay safe all of you, and keep your loved ones safe too.

Gregc1980

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#347 12 Feb 2020 at 5.07pm

In reply to Post #343
received my order thanks for the extras ya sent with them the look and smell spot on just need to get out and use them now 👍


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