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   Old Thread  #325 30 Aug 2019 at 10.49am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Where did I say he didn't? Corbyn wants a free hand with state aid/ intervention in certain sectors, which the EU doesn't allow under fair competition laws. I presume Spinbowler means this with his red tape cutting solution, as the corporation tax point is fake. We can already do it.
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   Old Thread  #324 30 Aug 2019 at 9.02am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
No one can deny that the UK MIGHT become a more cost effective place to manufacture stuff once out of the EU - European laws establishing workers' rights could be scrapped - wave goodbye to permanent contracts, sick pay, paid holiday, safety regs etc etc. Great news if you're a CEO, but the rest of the workforce would be shafted. Well done everyone.
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   Old Thread  #323 30 Aug 2019 at 8.34am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Corbyn wants to raise Corporation tax.
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   Old Thread  #322 30 Aug 2019 at 7.33am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hungary has a corporation tax rate of 9%, France 34% inside the EU. What corporation tax laws are we bound to by the EU now that stops us ALREADY becoming the best place in Europe to manufacture? Why is your simple solution not being trumpeted from the roof tops? Are you advocating Corbynism state aid for companies? Or is it more Brexit zealot fantasy island cobblers.
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   Old Thread  #321 30 Aug 2019 at 0.56am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I don't think you can accuse CEO's of multinational companies of lacking in aspiration....

I'm afraid that Boris' magical land of milk and honey is as likely as 350 million quid per week for the NHS. This isn't a 'Field of Dreams' scenario. If we build the factory, trade will come... Who is going to Magic up the skilled workforce, infrastructure and supply chain for these new factories? Do you think the EU won't be offering up their own deals for business? Do you think that the arrogance of our politicians will simply be forgiven and forgotten, or might the leaders of EU countries decide to let us struggle. It's not like they owe us any loyalty given recent events is it!

Too many leaders of business, the CBI, the governments own projections tell a more realistic story which doesn't bode well for a no deal future.

But Boris and Gove and Rees Mogg will all be ok because they won't be worried about their jobs on the factory floor.


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   Old Thread  #320 29 Aug 2019 at 10.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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CEO's wont close factories if it becomes cost effective to keep them open via tax breaks etc.

You can build more cars in this country INSTEAD of europe if it's cost effective. So you think they will shut plant's in the UK due to cost but they wont do the reverse if we Brexit, cut tax's and Red tape and make it more cost effective to do so?

Trouble is with the left they only see the negative and have no asperation other than bringing everyone else down to their level.
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   Old Thread  #319 29 Aug 2019 at 9.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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But when a CEO says that they will close factories rather than double them, it carries a bit more weight...

Because it is about the money for business leaders and shareholders. No need to build more vauxhall plants in North west England when they have perfectly adequate ones in Europe. ...
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   Old Thread  #318 29 Aug 2019 at 5.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So what if the corporation tax laws where changed along with any other Red tape that you are bound by inside the EU so that this country becomes the best place in Europe for manufacturing?

Once out almost overnight you could make this country the hub of Europe for every big business on the planet, the revinue from income tax alone would massively outstrip the reduction in corparation tax and there's nothing the EU can do about it.

Instead of thinking about plant closures think about the number of car plants doubling accross the north and the midlands, its the latter that scares the **** out of the Germans and the French because they are what the EU is all about their prosperity.

I work for a global maufacturer and i can tell you now noone gives a **** in business if we are in or out its just about the money.

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   Old Thread  #317 29 Aug 2019 at 4.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well said Ken,
l carn't stop crying for laughing!
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   Old Thread  #316 29 Aug 2019 at 11.03am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I don't know whether to laugh or cry...

Edit: I have decided to laugh!

How did it come to this? That a total buffoon like this can **** up a country with such arrogance and yet with aplomb!

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   Old Thread  #315 29 Aug 2019 at 9.04am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Vauxhall workers and families in the NW of England might not think so...


"With the no-deal risk rising after Johnson decided to suspend parliament, France, Spain, Germany or Portugal are poised to mop up work if an accord with the EU cannot be reached.

"French plants could legitimately make this vehicle if a hard Brexit happens, said Patrick Michel, a Force Ouvriere union representative at PSA, proposing the company's Peugeot sites in Sochaux and Mulhouse as possible contenders.
PSA CEO CarlosTavares said last month that all production will be pulled from Ellesmere Port if Brexit makes it impossible to turn a profit at a factory"

With export values to the UK worth around 1.2 Billion from this factory, it'll take a lot of pork pies and kippers exported to fill that hole.
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   Old Thread  #314 29 Aug 2019 at 8.41am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Great move from Boris......
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   Old Thread  #313 21 Aug 2019 at 9.24am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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There is no precipice Ken. One of the mantras of leave was "take back control of our borders". The swivel eyed loons ( David Cameron's words) have failed to deliver that. Same passport checks at all points of entry into the UK as we've had for years. With the same open land border with the EU we've had for years. Epic predictable fail. The same as was, who's getting in from Eire? No-one will know.
The perceived precipice in October is just a point of disagreement within the swivel eyed zealot brigade. Is it better to get a deal while leaving or is it better to get one when you're outside and keep your grandstanding do or die pledge. Pay your money make your choice on that one. Nov 1st you'll be presented with the same withdrawal deal. Either way a deal will be done.
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   Old Thread  #312 21 Aug 2019 at 8.58am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
This thread is very aptly titled. The precipice approaches!
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   Old Thread  #311 20 Aug 2019 at 3.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And a vote in Parliament that they didn't understand Deal or No Deal by March 29th, opps sorry October 31st!
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