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   Old Thread  #725 24 Nov 2019 at 2.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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As have many of our politicians, many of whom are hugely hypocritical and I think his intentions are more honest than most. agree with your post though! 👍
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   Old Thread  #724 24 Nov 2019 at 2.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It was clearly tongue in cheek, though it is not up for discussion that jezza has rubbed shoulders with several unsavoury characters. As I said, there isn’t a way for us to simply, accurately and honestly examine the actual figures because they are probably not in the public domain without really digging... if they were we’d have all sorts of nutters interpreting them how they see fit and misinforming the population.
I see the system as broken, or malfunctioning at best.
Socialism and capitalism both work when applied to specific groups, hence the cycle of uncertainty Keith mentioned; what they can’t do is please all the people all of the time.
I’d like to see the top jobs, not made up nonsense ministerial positions, to be voted for by the public. A government formed of cross party politicians employed by and for the people... These people can then be accountable for mistakes as they haven’t been handed a position for simply hanging out of the PM for several years, they will be publicly elected on merit for a given position.
What use is the opposition system when all they do is block any changes possible that the democratically elected party in power put forward?
It’s all pantomime nonsense that we have to pay good money to be a part of.
Unfortunately we are up **** creek whichever way you vote, Parliament in the great scheme of things can’t undo the damage 70 million people have already done. Not in this or the next generation anyway... especially as the next generation all speak ja-fake-an and either want to be rappers or footballers
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   Old Thread  #723 24 Nov 2019 at 2.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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...and the Tories will win this election, we will come out of the EU and likely the economy will go to pot and labour will come in and around we go. One thing I agree with the Brexit party on is that our political system is broken and not fit for purpose.
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   Old Thread  #722 24 Nov 2019 at 2.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You know what fella, I think we are possibly different in our political views on a lot of things.

But I agree about the cyclical nature of British politics. Maybe not on the details but on the overall way we've gone for decades in that it's a repetitive cycle of boom and bust.

You're absolutely right on that.

There must be other economic strategies in other countries that we could learn from...
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   Old Thread  #721 24 Nov 2019 at 2.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The irony is his 2 posts are a perfect example of what I said.
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   Old Thread  #720 24 Nov 2019 at 2.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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"So explain why in polls the majority of the population think Labour are incompetent when it comes to the economy then?"
1/ It fits their political views and makes them feel they are right.
2/ The incumbent Tory government covers its own financial incompetence by promoting the line that other than them there is only chaos.
3/ People are thick.

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   Old Thread  #719 24 Nov 2019 at 2.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No noj, I'm asking them to be aware and open to the idea that the original opinion they have formed might not be correct and as you rightly say, in this age of misinformation and fake news we need to be more careful than ever. If you have anything to share that disputes those links then please do share.

also please share any evidence you might have of back handers Corbyn has received from Hezbollah or the IRA.

we know the Tories have had huge donations so far this election and have received money from banking, big business, Russian and Israeli interests.
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   Old Thread  #718 24 Nov 2019 at 2.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So explain why in polls the majority of the population think Labour are incompetent when it comes to the economy then?
I will tell you why, they don’t need polls or “evidence” they get this attitude from their own experience over the years.
I’m in my 50’s and now know that politics is just a cycle-


Labour gets elected; spends money on anyone they can think of who they might bribe to vote Labour in the future. Then they promote the Trade Unions into any nook and cranny they can, as you would expect as they are the “Boss” when it come to Labour, what the Unions say Labour obey. Every time in my life time Labour has run the country into the ground, time and time again.


Then the Tories get elected to “Sort the mess out” by cutting costs to beyond expectable levels (Austerity) which they always seem to do ,and lower un-employment, and tempt companies back to the UK when Labour drove them out with their crack-pot communist ideas. But in sorting the mess out the Austerity measures hit the poorest in society, and they hit back by voting in Labour in again with promises of wondrous things.


And so it goes on and on and on - what a moronic situation!

# Channel 4! If those clowns told me the Sky was Blue I would not believe them, should be called "Channel Momentum" does the Labour party not run C4, it seems that way.
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   Old Thread  #717 24 Nov 2019 at 1.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Spot on

And what Tom is talking about is 'Confirmation Bias' we all do it to a degree and that includes Tom.
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   Old Thread  #716 24 Nov 2019 at 1.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And with that being the case you want people to form an opinion on economics from articles by an amateur looking website and channel 4?
Truth be told, nobody can form a fair opinion on the financial state of the country as not only are ALL facts and figures open to interpretation to suit different agendas, they are reported differently across various platforms and outlets.
Lots of financial experts seem to pop up in political discussion, none seem to even work in finance let alone understand anything beyond what the mail or guardian print
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   Old Thread  #715 24 Nov 2019 at 1.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The problem is Ocelot, that even when presented with fact and evidence people will not change their mind. This is how the human brain is wired, once it has made a decision on something, whether it be a person or a situation, the brain will disregard any information that goes against the original choice it has made.
It's a very difficult thing to do, but we all need to be aware that the original stance we have taken may not be correct and that we need to be open to, and not instantly dismissive of anything that differs.
The media well knows this and know that they can form an opinion in people (even subconsciously without you realising) with headlines, front pages etc. and once a person's brain has formed that opinion it won't likely change.
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   Old Thread  #714 24 Nov 2019 at 1.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I think the election being close to Christmas has just turned all the parties into versions of their target voters...

Labour are going to get loads of stuff on credit cards and payday loans and just pay it off after Christmas

Tories are going to treat themselves to something nice and maybe let the servants have the afternoon off once they've cleaned up after a big lunch

Lib dems 'aren't really doing Christmas this year - it's become too commercialised. They should maybe just cancel it anyway'

Brexit are going down the pub to talk about the good old days when Christmas was great and we only ate british turkey and potatoes and none of that fancy foreign muck. Then back to watch the Dam Busters on telly - great British invention that bouncing bomb...

and the Greens are going to make something nice out of recycled bits from under the sink





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   Old Thread  #713 24 Nov 2019 at 1.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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In 2008 after 11 years of a popular Labour government the national debt was consistent at around £500 billion.

It is now consistent around £1.8 TRILLION.

In 2008 after 11 years of a popular Labour government the % of debt the country owed compared to what it brings in, GDP, was consistent at 39%.

It is now consistent around 83%.

Financially incompetent? The Tories have borrowed over 1 trillion £'s in 9 years. Makes Jezza look frugal. Make your own mind up ..
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   Old Thread  #712 24 Nov 2019 at 12.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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please look at the links I posted below 😉
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   Old Thread  #711 24 Nov 2019 at 12.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I don't believe he made any promise other than he would look at student debt and yes he admitted he underestimated the level of it.
Now how much of their previous manifesto have the current government carried out, and how much of what they didn't carry out have they actually admitted and how much have they just tried to spin and lie over?

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