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scozza

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#1469 30 Nov 2020 at 2.22pm

In reply to Post #1468
I can’t see Usyk wanting to step in the ring with Wilder

If that happens I would be extremely surprised

I don’t think anybody who is up there would want Wilder if the truth be know, extremely dangerous fight for anybody, even Fury!

I think Joyce is Joyce, you see what you get now, a rematch with Usyk will be very interesting, I hope it happens, Joyce seems to want it?

Regarding Usyk, great boxer no doubt but a test for any boxer is a lot of fights against quality opponents with different styles. He will never be that man for me, he is 33, unless he is doing 3 fights a year up to 40 loI, agree though, has a chance of a title, time will tell how he progresses

Lets not forget Lomachenko another one of the purists and pundits favourite, struggled against Salido at the end of his career and got a proper boxing lesson the last time out against Lopez, wonder what the purists think of him now, Lopez was superb!

Simply has not had all the fights like the real top guys for me

How can you claim to be the man when you are say15 and 0 when there are men out there who have done 30, 40, 50 and 60 plus professional fights with minimum loses or draws, completely different level and should not be discussed in the same breath for me, respect to them

In this era he has a chance to shine. Time will tell if he goes down as one of the greats. Me personally, I don’t think he will, if I’m wrong I will have enjoyed the show

tazi

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#1468 30 Nov 2020 at 12.30pm

In reply to Post #1467
Agree regards Fury.

Regards Wilder a punchers chance ‘mind you though so have most if they connect properly’. However in my mind Usyk picks off Wilder as Wilder doesn’t have that movement etc in his armoury.

As for Joyce that whilst he did a number on Dubois - Dubois showed very little/no defensive skills I wouldn’t exactly say he was great. I learned more about Dubois than Joyce. He did a number on him, fair do’s and you can’t ask for anything more from him in terms of doing his job.

All I see is an heavyweight division where Fury if given the chance would clean up all of the titles, but because of how it is then Usyk entitles merit in believing he can become a champion and I believe he will.

Regards your last sentence that whilst he’s 33 and his strength is his fitness he doesn’t need to be a 40 plus fight real hall of famer - just a champion by taking one of those belts that are available, but should he go on to be undisputed champion then all the better for him.

scozza

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#1467 30 Nov 2020 at 7.31am

In reply to Post #1466
The fights will get harder. For me

Fury, no chance, jab job and powered out
Wilder, no chance, gets sparked, bomb!
Joshua, possibly, very dangerous fight for him
Whyte, possibly, very dangerous fight for him
Joyce, same as, he will be extremely confident going forward of doing a jab job on him now

Your right though, he has fought at heavy and took a few off DC. Time will tell if he is the real deal

To be fair though, I can see why he fancy’s it, the pathway is there to be a heavyweight world champion, Joshua. Now he has been exposed I don’t think any decent heavyweight would fear him

I will go back to what I said before, who is the biggest name on his record to date, Bellew who took the vacant belt, fought Flores and a WELL over the hill David Haye twice, a well passed his best DC trying to slug him out of there?

When he is the man he will get the respect he deserves for me

He has to get there first, and then hold onto it, then we will know if he is the real deal that everybody is buffing him up to be.

18 fights and zero losses, against who, Bellew and DC at the end of their careers so far...

He is also 33 years old and his strength is his fitness, is he really going to be a 40 plus fight real hall of famer, I don’t think so

tazi

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#1466 29 Nov 2020 at 6.55pm

In reply to Post #1465
No disagreement there and agree that DC is well past his best. However, if anything Usyk came out of that fight knowing he stood up to some punches and whilst you don’t want to get hit for me he overcame them and it’ll give him confidence to go forward in this division.

scozza

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#1465 29 Nov 2020 at 1.26pm

In reply to Post #1464
I think if we put the cards on the table DC is well passed his best. Respect to him, great entertainer and fighter in his time

When somebody puts the pressure on Usyk and starts to land regular then we will see how really good he is

Looking at Styles, I fancy him against Joshua but if Joshua keeps the discipline he could easily spark Usyk for me. You can have all the skill and movement in world but you have to get into the positions to land punches to win fights, to do that you have to put yourself in the zone and take some at times

tazi

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#1464 29 Nov 2020 at 1.17pm

In reply to Post #1461
Can’t disagree with any of that but he did get tagged by Chisora and I thought he took it well. That’s surely the positive he took from that fight.

tazi

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#1463 29 Nov 2020 at 1.15pm

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tazi

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#1462 29 Nov 2020 at 1.15pm

In reply to Post #1459

scozza

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#1461 29 Nov 2020 at 1.13pm

In reply to Post #1456
There should be a few decent heavyweight fights next year, there has to be!

Where Usyk fits into it all I’m not sure myself. Is he the new Holyfield, I don’t think so personally. The test will be when he gets hit properly by a near on 20 stone man. Don’t think we can take much from the Chisora fight, Chisora was just reckless for me and played to his strengths. Somebody who has a decent jab should give him a run for his money. I look at boxing talent and he is up there but he is dealing with some very powerful men at this level and one punch can end it all and that’s how I see him been beaten

jeffire

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#1460 29 Nov 2020 at 12.49pm

It had to be for "charity" Tyson has,nt got a boxing licence !!

braders1978

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#1459 29 Nov 2020 at 11.58am

In reply to Post #1458
Tyson gave an interview about it and said his fight purse is going to various charities

tazi

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#1458 29 Nov 2020 at 11.50am

In reply to Post #1457
Didn’t realise that it was for charity.....makes it more worthwhile now.

braders1978

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#1457 29 Nov 2020 at 11.37am

In reply to Post #1455
Raised alot of money for charity

tazi

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#1456 29 Nov 2020 at 11.13am

In reply to Post #1452
I just think he’ll be too smart and quick for Joyce. Would love to see Usyk against AJ too and believe he’ll beat him.

Great friend of mine Dan Hewitt was on Joyce last night to stop Dubois in the round he did at 80/1.

jeffire

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#1455 29 Nov 2020 at 10.28am

In reply to Post #1453
Was never going to be anything else total bull !


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