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GreyCarper

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#297 20 Mar 2018 at 3.26pm

In reply to Post #296
Good for you mate,

Guess otter stuff has run it's course on here....... for now .

Well done with your 8 posts btw

Robecutt

Posts: 8

#296 8 Mar 2018 at 3.52pm

In reply to Post #279
I've joined the angling trust today and parted with my �29
As some of us have said angling needs one voice and unless an alternative emerges the angling trust looks the only hope currently
the only way to have a voice in the angling trust is to join it

Rob Hughes has been appointed angling trust carp consultant & i think he has credibility
see his announcement on following link
https://youtu.be/UV_keLApBPo

they have helped secure a 3 rod licence, cormorant legislation and now campaigning for control of unregulated release of rehabilitated otters

the other thing i wanted to mention was twitter as I've started following groups both for and against otters, angling etc.
this has meant i have already exchanged tweets with nature lovers who love their otters...its really important we anglers maintain empathy with these people and what I've found (apart from the odd anti I've come across) is most people will listen to your opinion. what we dont need is an aggressive approach that does nothing but turn more people against angling. I believe that over time more people will be persuaded that in certain areas otters need to be controlled.

GreyCarper

Posts: 505

#295 5 Mar 2018 at 3.12pm

In reply to Post #277
As it is now St Piran's Day, maybe give your evidence of the 80 plus waters that you say have been affected by otters to younger guns to get your stuff on social media mate?

So are you saying there are no venues - except the one's you know are fenced - that are worth fishing now in kernow?

GreyCarper

Posts: 505

#294 4 Mar 2018 at 12.25pm

In reply to Post #293
No need to sell your carp gear mate. There will always be places to fish.

Think you missed the point, yes it was old news , but at the time he had a profile that went beyond anglers, and if no one - who are not anglers - took any notice then how is it going to happen now??

As for Ali Hamidi and the others in the monster carp fishing programs he is in on tv with, not a chance of non anglers even knowing who they are.

Jeremy Wade is a different case, river monsters is an entertainment program and very good too, but to go back to your statement about people joining the AT, it will not be happening trust - pardon the pun - me.

Robecutt

Posts: 8

#293 3 Mar 2018 at 10.39pm

In reply to Post #292
Well let�s all put the carp gear on eBay now then !
This is old news I am a massive fan of John Wilson the mans a legend but this is 2018 and a new band of anglers are in the spotlight ie Jeremy Wade Ali Hamidi & social media means every angler has a voice

The point I originally made was the AT rhetoric towards otter predatation has changed for the better
I was merely stating that that for me was enough to warrant joining and the more people we can encourage to join the better

GreyCarper

Posts: 505

#292 3 Mar 2018 at 9.41pm

Not sure how many on here remember John Wilson, for all his faults he did bring angling to a lot of people on tv.

Here is an article on bbc - can't get much more exposure at the time than that - about otters:

John Wilson - Otters

This is from 2013, so for anyone on here who calls me a troll about otters, think I have been more aware than a lot who have now jumped on the bandwagon.

However, the sad thing is, if a tv presenter with the 'power' he had in the media at the time had no effect on public opinion , there is no chance now.

Tight lines to all

GreyCarper

Posts: 505

#291 3 Mar 2018 at 7.35pm

In reply to Post #290
You will learn mate.

Don't be so arrogant to suggest if 'all carp anglers' joined the AT they will make carp angling their priority lol , look on their website to see what they actually do.

Robecutt

Posts: 8

#290 3 Mar 2018 at 7.21pm

In reply to Post #288
I agree they do good work for all anglers. I was just making the point that IF all carp anglers were members carp Angling would be their number 1 priority based on fact carp Angling is the most popular genre.

I would never accept that anglers can�t be persuaded to join the AT for cost of a bag of pellets or a packet of hooks per month. Neither will I accept that the public can�t be persuaded to understand the otter problem.
It won�t be easy it will need a strategy and the best brains in Angling inc the best media stars to deliver our message. In order to do that we need one voice and the funds to do it. Birdwatchers have managed to get unilaterally behind the RSPB it�s time anglers followed suit and stood up for Angling

Skear

Posts: 8810

#289 3 Mar 2018 at 6.46pm

The trouble is, as i�ve mentioned before, at the moment, although large stretches of river, and many stillwaters have been devestated, many venues, and anglers, so far, have not.
Lots will go on websites and social media saying what should be done but, unless it directly effects them, that�s about as far as their campaign will go.

We do need to be a strong and numerous body of people to be taken seriously. The EA, RSPB, Wildlife Trust, just to mention a few, all know what is going on with the otter but, seem to be **** scared of doing or suggesting anything?

These animals do need culling, and controlling, just like other animals that cause problems. There are other animals, causing a lot less problems than otter, that are under regular control.

Why can�t all these groups come together as one?

GreyCarper

Posts: 505

#288 3 Mar 2018 at 6.39pm

In reply to Post #286
If you look at what the AT currently do, your remark about their 'agenda' being a carp anglers one shows a lack of understanding of what they try to do for ALL anglers

If you are so socially media aware, don't waste your time with fishing social media, they already know! get wandle1 or others to give you pics of the damage and use your farcebook \ twitter presence to send them to friends, tourists boards, bbc, celebs, etc etc

NO I am not a troll, but just trying to say we know in angling what is happening in certain ares of the country with otters but somehow the message needs to get out to the public, will they care tho??

Cheers

GreyCarper

Posts: 505

#287 3 Mar 2018 at 6.18pm

In reply to Post #278
Good luck persuading anyone to join the AT mate, most people will moan about paying �29 a year, heard all the arguments on other forums in the past about what they do for the money etc etc, not seen it on here yet to be fair.

I doubt it will happen, sorry to be so pessimistic, but NOT only carp anglers every angler in my opinion should join.

Robecutt

Posts: 8

#286 3 Mar 2018 at 6.15pm

In reply to Post #279
Couldn�t agree more 👍🏻. The Angling Trust appears the only option for one voice and once we join we then have a voice. I respect their stance on cormorants and think they are at least starting to see the otter menace fir what it is...I�m only 1 noddy carp angler but I will pester the hell out of Angling Times Korda Nash etc on social media to encourage them to speak out and ensure we try and drive up the membership. If all carp anglers were members of the angling trust their agenda would be carp Angling s agenda. I don�t see any other solution.

wandle1

Posts: 5151

#285 3 Mar 2018 at 5.50pm

In reply to Post #284
From an angling point of view I'd say definitely,you really don't know what your going to find up the bank dead..

But hey ho,we're only anglers,and anglers and angling doesn't count..

But cute cuddly mustiladae does count...so were bucked..

Skear

Posts: 8810

#284 3 Mar 2018 at 5.18pm

In reply to Post #283
Must be like living on a knife edge mate

wandle1

Posts: 5151

#283 3 Mar 2018 at 3.49pm

In reply to Post #282
Righto,back from fence checking,no debris on the mesh or wires,no spraint on any prominent stones in the river..
Lots of deer tracks around lake perimeter in the snow...

Well,I couldn't have put it better Steve...but as a fourth generation angler,if my place gets done again,that's it I'm done,I have seen far too much ,I know too much now,mentally..

If you got to know me ,you'd find id helped literally loads of local youngsters stay off the booze n drugs that's rife in Cornwall..but trying to explain or show others the full extent of the ecosystem damage is a hard thing to do...

Otters are cute,cuddly and can do no wrong,springwatch says so,so it must be true...👎


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