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   Old Thread  #58 8 Nov 2016 at 11.55am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Now I often look back on that early summer and wonder if our experiences with using peanuts didn’t colour our vision when it came to boiled baits, HNVs and all that sort of stuff. We were not yet under fully TP’s wing as far as the bait was concerned but what happened next with the ‘nuts may well have given us a shove in the right direction as regarding the importance of nutritional baits

Basically what happened was the we enjoyed three trips on peanuts catching over seventy carp between us including ten twenties on just two rods sharing the runs. However, with each trip it became noticeable that our results were slowing down markedly – just eight fish on the third trip. The fourth trip we never had a sniff, even though the fish were still in evidence off the two point swims at the mouth of the cut and despite doubling up on the number of rods. It seemed that as quickly as the peanuts started working for us, they stopped dead! In fact, for a time nothing worked, not boilies or particles, and the only thing we could get takes on were hair-rigged slugs! The action on the peanuts was slowing down noticeably but we still managed a few.



However, the bigger carp were getting few and far between and the catch rate was noticeably slower. Eventually we gave up on the nuts and reverted to boiled bait. This was our last peanut-caught carp.



I later related this to Tim Paisley who was at the time seriously concerned at the use and abuse of peanuts by carp men, and in the light of what was to happen to College later, during the close season of 1985, I became convinced that while carp adored them, they were not going to do them any good in the long run.

I am sure most of you will be able to draw lessons from this little tale. Basically it is this: Don’t go mad with the nuts like we did, or they’ll blow quicker than a Plymouth tom at the sight of a fifty pound note!

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   Old Thread  #57 8 Nov 2016 at 11.53am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So we laid down a fairly light carpet of nuts out of the caty, say 30 pouch loads as far as they would go...which was about 30-35 yards. We also laid down another bait area comprising boilies only using the Device at between 70 and 100 yards. This are was covered by a pair of Gibbinson Cloopers while the short range peanut carpet was fished using a pair of fibreglass 1.5lb test Sportex rods covered the peanut-baited area. Rigs were kept on the simple side (let's face it, we didn't actually know and complex ones. This more modern pic near enough shows the rig we used.



I put the kettle on and then we set about putting up the tent, but we had no sooner started than a fish took one of the peanut rods. Tat grabbed the rod and played in a lively little mirror of 12lb, and while she was doing that the other peanut rod went off. My turn! The luck must have been with me for it was the first of several twenties we had over the course of the next few weeks. The fish was just over 20lb a fat Italian strain mirror that became a frequent visitor to the bank...it liked eating bait too much. In time it became widely known as Two Scales.This is our first fish on the nuts.



And this is Two Scales.



Tat and I topped up the peanuts carpet with three or four caty loads then we both recast into the ripples formed by the nuts entering the water. The rods were no sooner back in the rests when they both went off more or less at the same time, Tat landing a nice little mirror and me a similar sized common.



To cut a long story short we carried on catching throughout the day and the night and into the next day when we ran out of nuts. And the boiled baits…? Produced absolutely nothing! For me the highlight of the trip was a new PB common, a bionic bruiser that took me 150 yards down the bank before I could get it under any semblance of control.



We ended the weekend with over three dozen carp on the bank in 48 hours to just two rods! We returned home happy but exhausted but nothing was going to stop us now that we were on a roll. So it was that the following weekend we were back at College and this time we took two full buckets of prepared nuts.

There was a guy on the NE Point (who's he? we wondered…the first ‘foreign’ face we’d seen on the lake) so we switched out attentions to the swim opposite on the SE Point. Once again we had a big hit catching another 30 fish including no less than five twenties between us! Pinch me. I’m dreaming. Incidentally, this fish won me a KM Bedchair in the Angler's Mail photo competition courtesy of Andy Little. About 25 years later when we both worked for Fox I said thank you!

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   Old Thread  #56 8 Nov 2016 at 11.52am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I shall retgurn to Salamander on and off throught this thread but for the moment I want to move on to look again at College Reservoir and inparticular at peanuts...On their day peanuts can be a fantastic bait if used responsibly. However, they can also cause serious health issues to carp if they are abused by being used excessively, as this will show towards the end.

I shall never forget those few incredible College reservoir sessions in the summer of 1984. The first was in July of that year. It had been a blistering summer and the visitors had arrived in force. As a result the reservoirs were dropping daily to supply water to the tourist areas. Tat and I went down for a weekender and as the level was down a few feet we decided to bivvy up on the gravel below the wall on the NE Point. This wall was built to protect the banks preventing wave action from eroding the shoreline. You can just about see the wall in this shot. The NE Points is on the left in this pic, the SE Point on the right.



Though we are catching OK on boilies we had decided to give peanuts a try, having read about their use and abuse in Carp Fisher. Though Tim Paisley was dead set against them we wanted to see what the fuss was about. Were they the wonder bait everyone we’d talked to was raving about…would they have a good catching life at the lake? Remember, we weren’t yet privy to the bait secrets that were prevalent up-country at the time so we were casting around for an effective alternative bait.

It was the first time we had used peanuts, but we made sure that we were preparing them correctly by reading up everything we could find out about them, mainly from Rod’s book, which also includes a chapter by Dick Caldwell. In it Dick comments that nuts could fill carp up very quickly and should thus be used sparingly. Rod on the other hand, likens peanuts to sweetcorn in effectiveness and also states that they need to be baited heavily, both cooked or uncooked, flavoured or unflavoured. Confused? You will be…Do we follow Rod or do we follow Dick? Two widely differing opinions in the same book, our bible at the time, in the same chapter no less!



So there we are, set up on the nice flat gravel below the wall with half a bucket of prepared nuts that are steaming quietly and attracting flies! What next? Well, get some out there seems like a plan…

Now maybe spods were around in those days in the ‘developed’ carp world but Cornwall was basically a 3rd world country as far as carping was concerned. Yes, we had catys, but spods? Not a clue! This basically meant that we were restricted to firing the nuts out with a caty, at best maybe 30 yards? Luckily the water dips down quite quickly off the NE Point so we found ourselves with about six feet of water in front of us at 25-30 yards. Now I wouldn’t say we were brimming with confidence about the nuts so hedging our bets somewhat we also took down some boiled baits that we could put out a far way using what we called ‘The Device’.

Let me tell you about this fiendishly clever bit of gear. I had been a bit of a match angler way back in the late 60s and among the rods was a 4-piece rod called, if memory serves me right, a Match Enterprise. This fiberglass 13 footer had a stiff bottom three sections but a very whippy tip, and as we now seeing carp well out of range we wanted to extend our distance by using a throwing stick. Again you had to make your own out of a thick glass or early carbon butt section, but we also come up a much more effective idea, The Device!

Stripping the rod rings off the Enterprise, including the tip ring, left a long very fast action extended throwing stick. How it worked was like this: I would stand at the water’s edge holding the stripped down rod. Behind me Tat stood with a bag of boiled baits. I would lower the rod behind me and Carole would push a bait onto the tip. The blank at the tip was pretty thin so pushing on the bait didn’t damage it or cause it to split, but allowed it to lodge nicely in place. I would then ‘cast’ the rod and at the top of the cast the bait would fly off the tip and be thrown huge distances (comparatively at the time) out into the lake. Using ‘The Device’ we could bait up at previously unreachable distances and once again we got back among the fish thanks to the freebies going so far out into the lake.

Of course, we couldn’t actually cast anything like so far but we also supplemented the Device-launched baits with plenty of throwing stick and catapult fodder that ended up a lot closer in. Then, by casting as near as we could to the long-range freebies – probably about 30 yards short – and onto the medium-range bed of bait we encouraged the carp to come in to sample the hookbaits.
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   Old Thread  #54 7 Nov 2016 at 6.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Very sorry to learn of Carole's bad luck...hope its on the mend...

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Third times in ten years now, Brian. I call it clumsy; she says it's bad luck!

Edit: It's 4 times in 14 years. I forgot 2002. Poor lass!
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The missus broke her foot and ankle again on Thursday


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Please be patient, guys. The missus broke her foot and ankle again on Thursday and I have turned into t full time house husband. Got 00s of photos to upload too. Bear with me. I will get this thread back on track directly!
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   Old Thread  #50 31 Oct 2016 at 0.20am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Wandle1 - All too true when you say "Not much compares to the peace and solitude we used to have."

I now, looking back, realize just how lucky we were in Cornwall at that time and that it is mostly gone, for one reason or another. Just the memories left.

You'd need a friendly landowner, plenty of money and lots of fencing (if geographically possible, which it often isn't) to recreate and secure the low pressured gems we used to be lucky to fish.
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   Old Thread  #49 30 Oct 2016 at 11.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Wow,again a fantastic photo of what looks a very nice place......your most probably right about the lutra as well..

When i was on Rashleigh ,i heard guarded whispers about the place ,eventually a couple of lads who spoke about the place realised i wasn`t too bad a lad and could be trusted to keep mum,....even today i know of one or three ! special places that i have kept quiet about and would NOT tell anyone about........and thats over 32 years ago...

I know Gary Thomas ,he was great to me when he ran his bait firm ,gosh what was that bait called pink exstacy or similar,i used that on Lower Tamar...[cypro baits]...

Thing is a lot of carpers in the UK don`t realise just how fantastic Kernow used to be before the coming of the Lutra and,overt second home,lodge disease etc.....ie locals used to fishing lovely quiet places for many years kicked off when a rich so and so bought the place and so on............

We didnt have the biggest fish thats for sure ,but the one thing that was in evidence was the camaraderie thought the county ,the friendliness and the feeling that we were fishing for the unknown...

i loved it,and wish it was still the same......
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   Old Thread  #48 30 Oct 2016 at 11.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Wandle1 - The last I heard (online, as I am "up country" now) the property had changed hands and the new owner did not want anglers coming and going so it is now out of bounds.

It had Commons mainly, to around mid twenties in the early 1990's and was a splendid secluded location. More often than not I, or we if I went with a friend, had the place to ourselves, mid-week.

Nigel Britton's friend Steve Westbury (now in Canada) did a good write-up called "Tales of Trencrom" under the pseudonym "Carpsava."
If you paste: http://webspace.webring.com/people/kw/waterwize/carpstories.html into your browser you can read it together with stories of College Reservoir and Bilberry Pool.

I have seen it described by another Cornish exile as: "a real gem hidden away in a little valley in the Cornish moorland. It's actually two small ponds, about an acre and a half apiece......... Trencrom was a magical little place, a rare piece of seclusion in a very overpopulated little island."

According to Steve and Nigel they loved sweet baits especially Tutti's, I used Tropicanos and did OK. I remember Gary Thomas (who fished College at the time) saying fondness of sweet baits was a particular trait of Commons.

Unfortunately a stream runs through and Otters may have found and cleared it out now?

The photo below is from the first day I ever fished the place (29/06/90.) They were crashing all over when we arrived, a "cannot go wrong" type of day though not often repeated!

Trencrom 23lb 8oz (29/06/1990)
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   Old Thread  #47 30 Oct 2016 at 8.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ahh not another special place lost to Cornish carping..👎

I had this long list of waters,literally that i intended to fish one by one..all of them in Cornwall ,this was my plan ..
One night,last winter during a howling storm I once again revisited my list,after a short while I realised most of these places were lost to angling,so I screwed up this list and threw it into my open fire..

My problem is I don't wish to fish up country and Im only interested in Cornwall carping and over the border into Devon..

Not much compares to the peace and solitude we used to have..
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   Old Thread  #46 30 Oct 2016 at 7.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Adam - I had a quick look at the "crom" whilst passing by back in the summer,

The top lake was totally weed choked - bank to bank/ top to bottom,, however the surrounding area & bankside is totally manicured with bbq areas, a summer house complete with decking & gazeebos!! Looks like the owners use the area for socialising in the summer......

Also there were loads of duck boxes, islands & feeders along with a few ornamental/ non indigenous ducks swimming around,

No obvious signs that angling had occurred recently........

It's quiet up there & with a stream running through the pools & an estuary nearby - I can't believe that old lutra hasn't popped by for a visit or two - & in a small shallow pool there's only going to be one winner.

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   Old Thread  #45 30 Oct 2016 at 6.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Great post and photo...Trencrom,I used to hear a lot about this place,wonder what happened? Probably ottered,shut to the locals...or turned into a soulless place like Shillamill...aka Stonerush...
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Yeah - great stuff Ken, loving these write ups; especially the salamander & Roche stuff & it's great to see pics of of some "old friends"
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   Old Thread  #42 29 Oct 2016 at 10.38pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Agreed,its fantastic ,proper Cornish carp fishing history ..

I have seen these fish in their rightful place,i used to go to college not a million miles away from the lake..Although i could not drive back then i had a clay country mate who could and we used to go down and watch these submarines cruising around ....nice chap he was ,as he showed some other places locally as well...break times have never been the same since.... ............



also....now i`m remembering a few things.Ken wrote a really good article called `Rejuvenation at Rashleigh`or similar..well of course this fired me up and i especially wanted to catch `Busted tail`so i joined for the year Roche AC..

Anyway,i used to fish three rods ..long story short middle rod went off in the `long chuck`as it was known ,i got into a right ol mess ,chap up the bank came down to see what was happening and offered to land this carp for me plus all the other tangled rods etc.It went like this `think you`ve got ol busted tail on mate`....at this point what ever it was fell off..i still have bad dreams...and hence why i hate fishing three rods in tandem....always two plus one....

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