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   Old Thread  #219 21 Dec 2015 at 9.00am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I know every lake will have its own circumstances / how its run etc.

My option was simple. Asked if the members would pay up front for the following years costs so they basically paid double. It raised enough money to buy the majority of the material and although the following year was tough financially and no investment was pumped into the lake - it has protected the lake for the future.
The only other option was drain it, net it, and sell the stock and walk away. NOT an option in my eyes or the members eyes.

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   Old Thread  #218 21 Dec 2015 at 8.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Leeds Castle in Kent mate?

people like CA and RSPB use images of otters as they know full well that the general public will either join when using cuddly images and 99% of public haven't got a clue what destruction these creatures cause
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   Old Thread  #217 20 Dec 2015 at 8.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Went To Leeds Castle yesterday,there was a Xmas Fair on,there was a Stall for the Wildlife Britain (??) and Countryside Alliance,there amongst their pamphlets etc was a book on the Reintroduction of otters, also to suck the kids in was a couple of cuddly toy Otters.
I pointed out to my kids the damage otters do to Fish stocks and used an example of the castles waters being decimated if otters were present,got a few funny looks.
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   Old Thread  #216 20 Dec 2015 at 9.41am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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they could look into doing what I had too.....raise the fees, join other clubs or syndicates when purchasing material to get better prices, insist that members carry out the work to reduce labour costs....it can be done, I appreciate its not easy.

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   Old Thread  #215 19 Dec 2015 at 6.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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agree lots of denial in Suffolk but what happens to the club lakes that genuinely cant afford to fence and do not own the lakes?
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   Old Thread  #214 18 Dec 2015 at 10.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They won't be laughing or in denial for long Dave. Mr Otter could not careless how big the Club is, or how many members it has, or how much money it has in the Bank - the Fish stocks will get wiped out just as quickly as they are in anybody’s unprotected waters!

I was chatting to a well known Tackle Rep in a tackle shop today, he agreed with me that with in the next five years the only Waters with a viable future will be Privately run Carp Syndicates, as they are the only ones that have installed Otter fences, it seems to me that Carp Anglers are the ONLY ones who even value their sport.

Must be because they are not tied up in all the bureaucratic Bull#### associated with Club Committees, they will happily protect it and even pay for it between themselves
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   Old Thread  #213 18 Dec 2015 at 8.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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theres only so long for denial...as more and more fences spring up...we shrink the available food source...the un fenced waters will become more effected....

denial will cost those lakes stock, membership and revenue...vey short sighted and stupid in my book
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   Old Thread  #212 18 Dec 2015 at 6.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Its always sad to see, and you may be surprised as to how many people always deny its the otters.

There are a couple of club lakes very close to where keith (defiant one has his lake) that have also been hit by the otters and the bailiffs and other members seem to just want to deny it. If you bring the subject up on the clubs own forum then you are basically laughed at and belittled.
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   Old Thread  #211 18 Dec 2015 at 5.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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This was found on Blunham angling clubs dovecote lake beginning of the week, they have also lost a 30+ common. The mad thing is some members are in denial it's otters it's unreal and the club can't fence because it's farmers land blah blah blah.....
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   Old Thread  #210 17 Dec 2015 at 10.16am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think that less than £9 a meter, fully fitted including numerous gates, access points, machinery etc isn't expensive in the grand scheme of things.

However, it took some work to get it down to that price, and all members helped out. As Joss said, lot cheaper than the stock was.

Factor the cost in and spread it over membership for 3 years and youll have a lake for life protected and continue to fish for years to come.

Without a fence - no lake is safe - FACT
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   Old Thread  #209 17 Dec 2015 at 10.07am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Totally agree Joss, also the warning that 'the otters are coming' was repeatedly given many, many times over the last 15+ years and yet most just ignored it.
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   Old Thread  #208 17 Dec 2015 at 9.03am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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it costs far more to re stock than fence..!!

something that's always baffled me if one can fence
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   Old Thread  #207 16 Dec 2015 at 10.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I've moved on from 2 local waters that I had hoped to fish for the rest of my life because of otters. Sadly the costs of fencing were too high for most members and now they are simply not worth fishing for carp.

Really is gutting.

Fencing simply has to be done and built into the syndicate price. I sometimes wonder though that owners are looking to pass the costs on too quickly. This can kill membership and is self defeating.

Surely it has to become the norm and funding managed sensibly so these lakes survive.
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   Old Thread  #206 16 Dec 2015 at 10.12am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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would you mind Pm;ing me locations?

Im in the process of doing a map of sightings and fish kills...no fishery will be named or details given away, just a pin on a map...

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   Old Thread  #205 15 Dec 2015 at 10.07am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It's a story I hear every winter, and have been doing for at least the past five years – and its getting worse.

The Otters claimed their first true “Scalp” the other week around here, as in exactly what I predicted would end up happening (I wish I had been wrong!) is happening!

No Fence = No Fish = No Members = No Money = No Lease!
So Kiss the water goodbye - its now happened. What was once a very good water with old english Carp in it is now lost, all because the owner is a total “Tool”, and would not let the Club that had it, put a Fence up!



Dave, if the owners won't let you Fence it (You use Railway Sleepers with the Fence Posts fixed on top of them when fitting Fencing next to a Canal Bank, so it can be done with ease) And also not let you have a “Rolling Life Lease” on the lake, then there's sod all you can do about the situation.
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