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   Old Thread  #50 30 Oct 2011 at 5.28pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Do you really rate the Garlic powder then russ?

Who's Russ...

yes i do rate it highly mate....and i prefer to mix it with the dry ingredients in the mixer for a good 20mins (depending on batch size) before adding liquids.
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   Old Thread  #49 30 Oct 2011 at 4.19pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
A recent mix i made for a friend, was a Yellow(ish) seed mix with garlic power, Chocolate Cream EA, and Tangerine EO (his recepie, not mine) And all i could smell was this Garlic powder.

Of course the garlic will overpower the chocolate cream and tangerine.
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   Old Thread  #48 30 Oct 2011 at 3.56pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Do you really rate the Garlic powder then russ?

Liquid side i would leave it down to the makers to chop and change personally Id use aabaits red lighting
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   Old Thread  #47 30 Oct 2011 at 3.49pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I have been using the Garlic powder out of the world foods sections of Tesco Extras. It is about 1.30 for 400g, and even at 10g per pound it is the prevailing smell of the finished bait. Not sure if its as good nutrition wise, as some of the more expensive versions, but It sure makes a difference.

A recent mix i made for a friend, was a Yellow(ish) seed mix with garlic power, Chocolate Cream EA, and Tangerine EO (his recepie, not mine) And all i could smell was this Garlic powder.

Im not sure we really need it anyway, just an idea.

Think we need an expert to look over our recipe now and make some suggestions?

Do we need to have a think what the liquid side of the recipe should be, or do we leave that for the makers to decide on. Personally, even though its expensive, i would include LO30. I have only just started to use this stuff, but i really think it makes a difference in a fish mix. Any other ideas?
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   Old Thread  #46 30 Oct 2011 at 1.05pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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decent Garlic Powder can be expensive.....but i can sort you some out if needed mate

same as Chilli powder
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   Old Thread  #45 30 Oct 2011 at 12.31pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I also like garlic in my mix so think it should be included

Problem is we are trying to keep the price down
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   Old Thread  #44 30 Oct 2011 at 12.18pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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great idea for a thread guys, would be good to make something as good as the bait companies but half the price. Unfortunatly i have no idea about ingredients.

But i know krill is a winner and mollases sounds good!
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   Old Thread  #43 30 Oct 2011 at 12.06pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I also like garlic in my mix so think it should be included. Gives mine a lovely underlining aroma.

Talking about blood powder and WPC, i shall add blood plasma as an option. Similar properties but doesn't colour a bait like blood powder, has a lower recommended inclusion level than both making room for something else. So, with yeast i add belachan at the same level. Raises the price, but possibility?

I would be more than happy to add in molasses, i like something other than just egg in liquid form and find it a good attractor.
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   Old Thread  #42 30 Oct 2011 at 10.54am  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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the blood meal will change the baits colour, at that amount im thinking of a red tinge
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   Old Thread  #41 30 Oct 2011 at 3.54am  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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255g LT94
75g Pre Digest (dont need 100g to get full benefit per kg)
50g Blood powder
50g Krill meal
150g CLO
100g Vitamealo
100g Soya Flour
100g Semolina
50g Kelp Powder
35g Brewers Yeast
35g Whey Protein.

Thats looking really good IMO. The yeast powder is probably a more cost effective additive than the liver powder.

If you look at MM's recepie, if you combine our blood and WPC its nearly the same as he is using for WPC alone. Our 85g to his 75g. Do we really need both or would it be best to find out which is the better for our needs and just use 1? I have not used blood powder before, only read a bit on CC's website. It also sounds as though blood may change the color of our bait, which i never thought of up till now, although i don't know if were using enough blood powder to affect our bait in any real way.

I don't know if colour in our bait is important or not? I suppose not as long as the baits a cracker. At the min, i can see the finished bait as an off white, light brown colour with some dark specks in from the seed in the CLO. I suppose if Ducks and other such creatures are a problem on the lakes our bait is being used, the user could add dye to the bait to dull it down more. I always like black powder dye.

I use alot of molasses in my fishing. I mix particles in it, add to boilie mixes, put it in pva bags and so on. A lot of people say its a megga bream attractor. However i feel if you hit a shoal of bream when your fishing you'll catch them on anything. Im not sure its the molasses thats attracting them, rather your just being unlucky and fishing in a shoal of them. Thats what is have found over a long period of using molasses. Also when you consider its as cheap as chips, when brought from a horseie shop, its a good item to include into bait. Also you could roll lots and lots of it into your bait come winter time to increase leak off from the bait and make it break down quicker. I really rate molasses, and have found for myself that it does not really matter if you get the really thick stuff from tesco or Moores, or the thinner stuff from seed merchants or horse outlets, it all works the same. (I did consider molasses as a user name when i joined the forum)

Just some food for thought. What does anyone think of garlic and fenugreek powder? Is it worth considering trying to get some in? I have used garlic powder alot in a seed mix of mine, and although i have no clue as to why, i just know my seed mix works better with it, than without.
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   Old Thread  #40 29 Oct 2011 at 10.12pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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i dont know if it any better as in other things but i know its lower in oil
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   Old Thread  #39 29 Oct 2011 at 9.42pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I have no idea if meggablend or CLO is better than the other in the winter mate.

i might have to have a dabble with blood powder at some point
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   Old Thread  #38 29 Oct 2011 at 9.35pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Cheers mark, i used 10% of blood in my mix that i had few fish on this year, mr saggybelly helped me

im not sure about liquids, the base is up to the job for aminos, so a flavour or essential oil maybe in need

im quite liking the mix atm

edit: CLO could be replaced with meggablend to lower the oil content

edit: the solubles are up at 29.5
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   Old Thread  #37 29 Oct 2011 at 9.07pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Robbo slight variant of the one you posted a few days ago.

255g LT94
75g Pre Digest (dont need 100g to get full benefit per kg)
50g Blood powder
50g Krill meal
150g CLO
100g Vitamealo
100g Soya Flour
100g Semolina
50g Kelp Powder
35g Brewers Yeast
35g Whey Protein.

1) Increased solubles to 21% including the addtion of brewers yeast, it has lots of things going for it, super soluble, essential vitamins and a great taste enhancer.
2) Doubled the kelp qty, like i said in an earlier post at 25g i'm not sure the fish will even know its there, id advise 5% and upwards.
3) Whey protein added, great binding properties, firms the bait up, plus a bit of milk protien wont do a bait any harm therefore offering a greater range of amino acids rather than just using the fish meal as the main protein source.
4) Imo 10% of the base is wasted with the supergold when you can have other goodies in the like yeast, WPC and increased levels of Kelp.
5) I have sacraficed some of the fish protein for the other ingredients which i dont think is a bad thing if we want a true 4 season bait. We need a wide range of vitamins, solubles and proteins.
6) Got rid of the liver powder, not sure it's worth the extra cost especially at only 1%.

I have never used blood powder so i cant comment. Perhaps the bait might be to hard with the WPC and the blood powder? Someone else would have to advise on the blood powder verses the WPC. I have heard blood powder can be quite an overpowering ingreident, weather this is a bad thing i have no idea.

Liquids- My knowledge of base mix ingredients has improved massively over the last few years but when it comes to liquids i'm not sure myself of whats best. I am starting to wonder if expensive liquids like L030, minamino are worth including especially if the base mix is up to the job.

A sweet liquid like mollases or a more svaoury one like oysetr sauce never did a bait any harm.
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   Old Thread  #36 29 Oct 2011 at 5.51pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Edit: now MM's isnt far off from ours, and he does write somewhere within the series saying that this mix could be used throughout the year

Mark Mckenna's HNV Boilie For Carpworld

Sopropeche CPSP 90 (pre-digested fishmeal) 75g
LT94 300g
Whey Protein Concentrate 75g
Full Fat Soya Flour 100g
CLO 150g
Semo 100g
Maize Flour 100g
Crushed Hemp Powder 50g
Kelp Powder 50g

Powdered additive (Krill Meal) 30g
Spice (Chilli Powder) 5g
Salt 15g

Liquids (per six eggs)
Liquid Attractant (Belachan) 20ml
Flavouring (Compound TF) 3ml
Oil (Smoked Sardine Concentrate) 2m

MM's Article

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