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 #40 29 Oct 2011 at 10.12pm | |   |
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In reply to Post #39
i dont know if it any better as in other things but i know its lower in oil
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#39 29 Oct 2011 at 9.42pm | | |
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In reply to Post #38
I have no idea if meggablend or CLO is better than the other in the winter mate.
i might have to have a dabble with blood powder at some point 
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#38 29 Oct 2011 at 9.35pm | | |
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In reply to Post #37
Cheers mark, i used 10% of blood in my mix that i had few fish on this year, mr saggybelly helped me 
im not sure about liquids, the base is up to the job for aminos, so a flavour or essential oil maybe in need
im quite liking the mix atm
edit: CLO could be replaced with meggablend to lower the oil content 
edit: the solubles are up at 29.5
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#37 29 Oct 2011 at 9.07pm | | |
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In reply to Post #18
Robbo slight variant of the one you posted a few days ago.
255g LT94
75g Pre Digest (dont need 100g to get full benefit per kg)
50g Blood powder
50g Krill meal
150g CLO
100g Vitamealo
100g Soya Flour
100g Semolina
50g Kelp Powder
35g Brewers Yeast
35g Whey Protein.
1) Increased solubles to 21% including the addtion of brewers yeast, it has lots of things going for it, super soluble, essential vitamins and a great taste enhancer.
2) Doubled the kelp qty, like i said in an earlier post at 25g i'm not sure the fish will even know its there, id advise 5% and upwards.
3) Whey protein added, great binding properties, firms the bait up, plus a bit of milk protien wont do a bait any harm therefore offering a greater range of amino acids rather than just using the fish meal as the main protein source.
4) Imo 10% of the base is wasted with the supergold when you can have other goodies in the like yeast, WPC and increased levels of Kelp.
5) I have sacraficed some of the fish protein for the other ingredients which i dont think is a bad thing if we want a true 4 season bait. We need a wide range of vitamins, solubles and proteins.
6) Got rid of the liver powder, not sure it's worth the extra cost especially at only 1%.
I have never used blood powder so i cant comment. Perhaps the bait might be to hard with the WPC and the blood powder? Someone else would have to advise on the blood powder verses the WPC. I have heard blood powder can be quite an overpowering ingreident, weather this is a bad thing i have no idea.
Liquids- My knowledge of base mix ingredients has improved massively over the last few years but when it comes to liquids i'm not sure myself of whats best. I am starting to wonder if expensive liquids like L030, minamino are worth including especially if the base mix is up to the job.
A sweet liquid like mollases or a more svaoury one like oysetr sauce never did a bait any harm.
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#36 29 Oct 2011 at 5.51pm | | |
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In reply to Post #35
Edit: now MM's isnt far off from ours, and he does write somewhere within the series saying that this mix could be used throughout the year
Mark Mckenna's HNV Boilie For Carpworld
Sopropeche CPSP 90 (pre-digested fishmeal) 75g
LT94 300g
Whey Protein Concentrate 75g
Full Fat Soya Flour 100g
CLO 150g
Semo 100g
Maize Flour 100g
Crushed Hemp Powder 50g
Kelp Powder 50g
Powdered additive (Krill Meal) 30g
Spice (Chilli Powder) 5g
Salt 15g
Liquids (per six eggs)
Liquid Attractant (Belachan) 20ml
Flavouring (Compound TF) 3ml
Oil (Smoked Sardine Concentrate) 2m
MM's Article
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#35 29 Oct 2011 at 5.48pm | | |
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In reply to Post #34
I'd be really interested to see a recepie that is top draw, top quality all year round fish mix that is designed by an 'expert' bait maker, and could compete with any sold on the bait market.
Where's saggy when you need him!
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#34 29 Oct 2011 at 5.45pm | | |
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I'd be really interested to see a recepie that is top draw, top quality all year round fish mix that is designed by an 'expert' bait maker, and could compete with any sold on the bait market.
But to see it wrote here, on the forum, where anyone who wants to use it can see the recepie, get the stuff and make for themselfs.
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#33 29 Oct 2011 at 5.16pm | | |
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In reply to Post #32
Nah, keep it going it makes interesting reading, I'm enjoying it. Unfortunately we don't appear to have the experts logging on so much these days.
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#32 29 Oct 2011 at 4.37pm | | |
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In reply to Post #31
Its a Brilliant idea IMO, we just dont have the help!
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#31 29 Oct 2011 at 4.06pm | | |
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In reply to Post #30
Never mind. I thought it would be a good idea at the time. Maybe in the winter when the lakes are solid (if we get the winter they say were going to have  ) we can try again.
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#30 29 Oct 2011 at 4.03pm | | |
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In reply to Post #28
Yeah agreed, i think saggy is busy
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#29 29 Oct 2011 at 4.03pm | | |
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In reply to Post #28
Yeah agreed, i think saggy is busy
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#28 29 Oct 2011 at 4.00pm | | |
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In reply to Post #27
Agreed mate. Think this may not work out without some expert input.
Wheres the Aminos, Saggybellys, baitbuffs, when you need them?
To busy catching on their top quality baits?   
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#27 29 Oct 2011 at 3.08pm | | |
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In reply to Post #26
It would work but my preference would to do higher in the solubles, we need some more people helping us
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#26 29 Oct 2011 at 2.02pm | | |
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Thought i would try a 16oz mix, to try to round it off better.
4oz Lt94 (£15)
1oz Predigested fishmeal (£5)
1oz Kelp Powder (£3)
1oz Liver Powder (£18)
4oz CLO (5kg £11 +1kg spare)
2oz Vitamealo ((£6.50)
2oz Blood Powder (£7)
1oz Robin Red (£9)
£74.50 for 16kg basemix. (all prices are approx,and for kilogram amounts to make 16kg of basemix)
20ml LO30 (£10- 500ml)
4ml Banana flavour (£6- 100ml)
3 Drops Cassia EO (£6)
£22 for attractor package. (£96.50 + eggs and gas/electric for 20-22kg of finished bait)
Think this could be a good mix? Its all in whole amounts so it saves trying to find somewhere to sell exacting amounts. I'd personally be happy to make this up in kilos, to make 16kg of mix, Which would give say, 20-22kg of finished bait. The liver powder knocks hell out of the total cost, but seems a reasonable addition to the bait. Anyone making this base could change the liver for, betaine, shrimp powder, CSL powder, brewers yeast or whatever they wish to substitute it for. I would try and roll this as it stands, but if i found it to sticky i would add 1.5oz/kg Soya Flour and 2.5oz/kg of Semolina giving a 20oz/kg mix, and added cost would be very little. Any suggestions?
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