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   Old Thread  #100 17 Nov 2011 at 2.31am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think everyone will agree that bait is just one part of the puzzle. There are many other things to consider. Rigs, hooks, location, weather....... the list is a big one.

However, i believe a quality bait is as bigger part of the puzzle as the picture on the box. You can manage without it, But its a s**t load easier with it.

So for post 100 the forums recipes seems to stand at these.

BM1 (basic HNV mix)
30% LT94 fishmeal
15% Maize Protein Meal 60% (supergold 60)
13% Egg based bird food like CeDe
10% Semolina
10% Soya flour (heat treated)
8.5% pre-digested fishmeal
8.5% Calf or lambs milk powder such as Vitamelo
5% Equivite

BM2
22% Poultry protein meal
20% LT94
10% Maize Protien Meal 60% (supergold 60)
10% pre-digested fishmeal
10% Calf or lambs milk powder such as Vitamelo
7% Micronized Soya meal
6% Semolina
2.5% Micronised crushed hemp
2.5% Equivite

I think we owe Smurf a big . He could have kept them to himself and probably made money off them, but he chose to share with everyone. And there is also other recipes in the thread for people to work on too. Even if this thread does not get stickied, i think it is big enough for people to find in the future.
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   Old Thread  #99 16 Nov 2011 at 2.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I also agree that if they are not already, Smurfs recipes should be stickied. For all the baitmakers that use the forum those are the only 2 that I can remember where all is explained fully

Btw I still think that if you throw your gear where the fish are you will catch .... but if you are going to throw crap at them it might as well be good crap

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   Old Thread  #98 16 Nov 2011 at 1.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Bait is such a subjective thing so none of this chat is pointless. We can all take as much or as little as we want from it to improve and develop what we are doing. Or there are people who have been there and done it just trying to share there knowledge wish is also great. A final recipe is pointless though i agree.

My mix has caught me a pb Tench this year, its a start, i'm happy.

The only thing i would say is that i had 3 possible mixes but it got that complicated i cut it down to 2. Glad i did, i am now happy with those 2.
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   Old Thread  #97 16 Nov 2011 at 10.50am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well thanks Ken for enlightening me as I respect your knowledge on this topic, looks like I will leave thebait theories to those who know what they are talking about
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   Old Thread  #96 16 Nov 2011 at 7.32am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Going of thread a bit

But i just made my first batch of my own baits and recipes, ive never followed a trend in my life so ive changed almost everything in the recipes compared to the ones pushed on websites. Feels great to make my own baits for the first time. I have 5 flavours to try out, about 200-400 grams of each flavour.

I think the OP is right in that it would be nice to have a sticky for a VERY simple recipe for the carpforum, but i can see why its pointless as we have seen you will get 100 opinions, than discussions about PH's and chemicals and blah blah blah.

Keep it simple is my moto, as another guy said he caught on milkbottles. All my PB'S are on cheap shelflifes with no spod or boilies chucked out just single baits yet ive used freezer baits from mainline and other companies for years now with no pb.

Hopefully my own will catch as if they do i will be eventually making kilos of it for a small amount of money, very small.
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   Old Thread  #95 16 Nov 2011 at 7.24am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Smurf's recipes were put on the forum to help peeps make a top class boiled bait considerably cheaper then the mainstream bait firms. They are the recipes he used when he was selling bait and I for one welcome his openness and candidness.

The bait posted below are nothing to do with mumbo-jumbo or scientific potions. They are top flight no-nonsense nutritional CARP BAITS and they WILL catch you fish without breaking the bank...I suggest therefore that they qualify more than any for the title of Forum Approved Bait Recipe, which is what this thread (originally) is all about.

@ Fred: That old guff about matching bait pH to lake pH was dead in the water before it was even printed. Within a few weeks of it first appearing in print that daft theory was totally dismissed as a) impossible and b) counter-productive.
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   Old Thread  #94 16 Nov 2011 at 1.18am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What i do find interesting is that some of the old writings regarding bait ph and water ph , to try and match the bait to the water .
I,m sure there is more to it , as some baits work well on one water and not on another , as some lakes we have fished blanking at the start a bait change has brought instant results and then we have caned it , like they just could not get enough of the stuff.
Well over my head , but there is a lot more to it , and not all waters are the same
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   Old Thread  #93 16 Nov 2011 at 0.53am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I only dabble. I am no bait buff by any means. Reading pieces by Tim Richardson ect just hurt my head. Far toooooo complicated for me.

I have decided to pick 1 lake to try and improve my understanding of it so i can put my hookbait in front of some nice carp.
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   Old Thread  #92 16 Nov 2011 at 0.26am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Nothing wrong in what your doing bud as enjoying it is what it is all about

I fish for cod and trout and coarse fish as well as i like all fishing also ,

i must admit that i used to get huge satisfaction when i caught on the bait i used to make , i went down the bait path many years ago , but not in the same calibre as some of the more informed and enlightened buffs on here.
Not knocking them but when i started to read some of the offerings by the likes of Paisley ect my brain turned to mush where i got overloaded and bogged down with bait syndrome.
My fishing started to suffer , and i was spending more time playing with bait than actually fishing ,i take my hat off to the bait gurus on here , but at the end of the day it is only a small part of what makes you successful at catching.

There is an old saying ,,

You can lead a horse to water but you can,t make it drink.
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   Old Thread  #91 16 Nov 2011 at 0.17am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
No disrespect was perceived. Was just saying that bait is part of the whole picture. And seeing as i enjoy making my own bait this type of conversation is very helpful. Making my own is part of the fun to me.

I don't love carp fishing. I love all fishing.
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   Old Thread  #90 15 Nov 2011 at 11.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No disrespect intended bud its just how i see it as i,m a non conformist a bit of a carp rebel its just me

Needless to say that period of catching at will was soon stopped as i was putting a single milk bottle where the fish were,,,




At a 160 yards , as that is where they were 90% of the time , you see i was taught to locate the fish then put a bait to them , not the other way round put in the bait and wait until they come to you, anybody can do that and play a numbers game , i call that lottery fishing , as sooner or later something will pick it up , that is of course if you are there long enough

Carp fishing ,, don,t you just love it
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   Old Thread  #89 15 Nov 2011 at 11.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Rigs, bait, location, feeding methods, feature finding all play a factor. The first 2 if like me you have only ever gone fishing on your own you learn about by talking to people, be it in the tackle shop, on the bank or over the internet. The last 3 you learn through practice on the bank.

No, there is no such thing as a wonder bait, however a better understanding can only be a good thing and this type of thread helps me greatly.
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   Old Thread  #88 15 Nov 2011 at 11.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Sorry to add to this thread ,,,, but ,

I have never bought into all this bait oneupmanship as all carp do is swim , eat and crap period.

If you put a reasonable bait in front of it , 9 times out of 10 it will eat it

All this crap that they put in these days to make money out of gullible anglers is laughable.
If it is hungry it will eat anything period.


Yeh i am probably talking crap but i have never struggled to catch in 30 years of carping ,,

It seems if someone does a or a when talking bait then the on lookers are hooked as they think they have the next wonder bait.

I put the best part of a 1000 of so called quality bait in a venue once and caught diddly ,, then i started to use milk bottle sweets on one rod and caught , then i had it on all three rods and was catching while others blanked on there super dooper bait , well i was also till i switched to these little babies .
Had my best ever year on those milk bottles.
All those fish on 2.60 of sweets what a waste of a grand
It taught me one thing , i still fish with quality baits but i don,t get blinded by them ,, something attractive put in the right place will out fish any wonder bait that you camp on.

Well tear me off a strip if you want but that is how i see it ,, and i catch , and also enjoy my fishing.

I have always wondered if there was such a creation as a all in wonder bait that you could not blank on that person would become a millionaire over night ,, answer there aint one

Bait is the biggest enigma in the sport and the most profitable , how many company's produce a so called quality bait , its hundreds all bigging it up and sponsored anglers giving it large to raise the profile of the next wonder creation.
Total and utter bull .
Apologies to anyone offended by my post but that is how i see it , i may be totally wrong but until i stop catching i won,t change my opinion
A tried and sensible recipe will always catch , don,t get blinded by bait , life,s too short
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   Old Thread  #87 15 Nov 2011 at 1.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thats bold .

OK...Let's say, two of the best FULLY DETAILED recipes you will ever encounter. It's all out there...Nothing hidden, no bullsh1t or bluster. Just top class recipes that will catch fish.

No secret this or secret that and loads of silly

Nothing more needs saying
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   Old Thread  #86 15 Nov 2011 at 0.31am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Two of the best recipes you will ever encounter...Nothing more needs saying

Thats bold .
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