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   Old Thread  #95 16 Nov 2011 at 7.24am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Smurf's recipes were put on the forum to help peeps make a top class boiled bait considerably cheaper then the mainstream bait firms. They are the recipes he used when he was selling bait and I for one welcome his openness and candidness.

The bait posted below are nothing to do with mumbo-jumbo or scientific potions. They are top flight no-nonsense nutritional CARP BAITS and they WILL catch you fish without breaking the bank...I suggest therefore that they qualify more than any for the title of Forum Approved Bait Recipe, which is what this thread (originally) is all about.

@ Fred: That old guff about matching bait pH to lake pH was dead in the water before it was even printed. Within a few weeks of it first appearing in print that daft theory was totally dismissed as a) impossible and b) counter-productive.
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   Old Thread  #94 16 Nov 2011 at 1.18am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What i do find interesting is that some of the old writings regarding bait ph and water ph , to try and match the bait to the water .
I,m sure there is more to it , as some baits work well on one water and not on another , as some lakes we have fished blanking at the start a bait change has brought instant results and then we have caned it , like they just could not get enough of the stuff.
Well over my head , but there is a lot more to it , and not all waters are the same
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   Old Thread  #93 16 Nov 2011 at 0.53am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I only dabble. I am no bait buff by any means. Reading pieces by Tim Richardson ect just hurt my head. Far toooooo complicated for me.

I have decided to pick 1 lake to try and improve my understanding of it so i can put my hookbait in front of some nice carp.
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   Old Thread  #92 16 Nov 2011 at 0.26am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Nothing wrong in what your doing bud as enjoying it is what it is all about

I fish for cod and trout and coarse fish as well as i like all fishing also ,

i must admit that i used to get huge satisfaction when i caught on the bait i used to make , i went down the bait path many years ago , but not in the same calibre as some of the more informed and enlightened buffs on here.
Not knocking them but when i started to read some of the offerings by the likes of Paisley ect my brain turned to mush where i got overloaded and bogged down with bait syndrome.
My fishing started to suffer , and i was spending more time playing with bait than actually fishing ,i take my hat off to the bait gurus on here , but at the end of the day it is only a small part of what makes you successful at catching.

There is an old saying ,,

You can lead a horse to water but you can,t make it drink.
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   Old Thread  #91 16 Nov 2011 at 0.17am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
No disrespect was perceived. Was just saying that bait is part of the whole picture. And seeing as i enjoy making my own bait this type of conversation is very helpful. Making my own is part of the fun to me.

I don't love carp fishing. I love all fishing.
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   Old Thread  #90 15 Nov 2011 at 11.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No disrespect intended bud its just how i see it as i,m a non conformist a bit of a carp rebel its just me

Needless to say that period of catching at will was soon stopped as i was putting a single milk bottle where the fish were,,,




At a 160 yards , as that is where they were 90% of the time , you see i was taught to locate the fish then put a bait to them , not the other way round put in the bait and wait until they come to you, anybody can do that and play a numbers game , i call that lottery fishing , as sooner or later something will pick it up , that is of course if you are there long enough

Carp fishing ,, don,t you just love it
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   Old Thread  #89 15 Nov 2011 at 11.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Rigs, bait, location, feeding methods, feature finding all play a factor. The first 2 if like me you have only ever gone fishing on your own you learn about by talking to people, be it in the tackle shop, on the bank or over the internet. The last 3 you learn through practice on the bank.

No, there is no such thing as a wonder bait, however a better understanding can only be a good thing and this type of thread helps me greatly.
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   Old Thread  #88 15 Nov 2011 at 11.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Sorry to add to this thread ,,,, but ,

I have never bought into all this bait oneupmanship as all carp do is swim , eat and crap period.

If you put a reasonable bait in front of it , 9 times out of 10 it will eat it

All this crap that they put in these days to make money out of gullible anglers is laughable.
If it is hungry it will eat anything period.


Yeh i am probably talking crap but i have never struggled to catch in 30 years of carping ,,

It seems if someone does a or a when talking bait then the on lookers are hooked as they think they have the next wonder bait.

I put the best part of a 1000 of so called quality bait in a venue once and caught diddly ,, then i started to use milk bottle sweets on one rod and caught , then i had it on all three rods and was catching while others blanked on there super dooper bait , well i was also till i switched to these little babies .
Had my best ever year on those milk bottles.
All those fish on 2.60 of sweets what a waste of a grand
It taught me one thing , i still fish with quality baits but i don,t get blinded by them ,, something attractive put in the right place will out fish any wonder bait that you camp on.

Well tear me off a strip if you want but that is how i see it ,, and i catch , and also enjoy my fishing.

I have always wondered if there was such a creation as a all in wonder bait that you could not blank on that person would become a millionaire over night ,, answer there aint one

Bait is the biggest enigma in the sport and the most profitable , how many company's produce a so called quality bait , its hundreds all bigging it up and sponsored anglers giving it large to raise the profile of the next wonder creation.
Total and utter bull .
Apologies to anyone offended by my post but that is how i see it , i may be totally wrong but until i stop catching i won,t change my opinion
A tried and sensible recipe will always catch , don,t get blinded by bait , life,s too short
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   Old Thread  #87 15 Nov 2011 at 1.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thats bold .

OK...Let's say, two of the best FULLY DETAILED recipes you will ever encounter. It's all out there...Nothing hidden, no bullsh1t or bluster. Just top class recipes that will catch fish.

No secret this or secret that and loads of silly

Nothing more needs saying
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   Old Thread  #86 15 Nov 2011 at 0.31am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Two of the best recipes you will ever encounter...Nothing more needs saying

Thats bold .
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   Old Thread  #85 2 Nov 2011 at 3.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I should make clear that the recipes below are Smurf's, copied from one of his many posts on here when he was making and selling bait. They are not mine, I am sorry to say!
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   Old Thread  #84 1 Nov 2011 at 6.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Some decent recipes being posted whilst fishmeals/meat meals/maize proteins look the business on paper you should never overlook the usage of quality milk protein fractions. Without going into too much detail about these ingredients I can whole heartedly say that after making baits without them I wouldnt really do so any time soon. For sure you can make extremely effective baits without using expensive milk fractions but on the whole after careful deliberation I am wholly of the the belief that they must play a part in good food bait.

The main consideration for me is that refined milk proteins do not lie, if it says its 95% protein then it is what it says there is no indigestible or useless nitrogen in them as there is in fishmeals etc. They are certainly not essential to catch fish but the benefits surely outweigh the cost as was intimated to me a few years ago by someone who clearly knew more than me at the time. I have used baits with and without and caught very well on both but without giving the game away too much I would urge people to include at least some whey protein in their formula ideally a combination of milks as it will only benefit your bait overall. Although you can still construct a good food bait without having to pay more than 3 per kilo for any one ingredient.
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   Old Thread  #83 1 Nov 2011 at 6.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #82 1 Nov 2011 at 6.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Cheers Ken thats what we needed
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   Old Thread  #81 1 Nov 2011 at 5.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Micronising is heat treating (cooking to a point) with infa red heat before the hemp/soya is crushed or milled.

Infa red heats from the inside out so youre basically cooking the flesh it in its own juices.
Its something they do to make horse and cattle feed more digestible

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