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In reply to Post #356
nice one cheers Peter. 
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In reply to Post #355
I used to get 1.3-1.4x the basemix weight of mixes like BM1 
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In reply to Post #354
i worked it out at 1ml of liquid is 1 gram is that not correct then?
the weight of water is 1ml per gram....
and no i didnt take air drying into consideration  suppose to get the exact cost I should weigh 1 mix after they have dried to my liking ....
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In reply to Post #353
you will be lucky to get 1.5kg of boilies from 1kg of base mix. The liquid weight in normally approx 0.2kg to 0.35kg depending on liquids used.
Depending on air dry time (shelf life vs freezer) i multi ply by 1.2 or 1.25 this should also cover you for a little wastage and spillage
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In reply to Post #352
ive just noticed the copy/paste in my table..... I used Vitamelo
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I have put my mix into a table and carried out some basic calculations for anyone that is interested in a rough cost of the BM1 + a basic additives.
Price per kg mix including eggs & liquids = £5.51
5.51/ 1.5 (finished bait) £3.67
If you replace the ingredients in larger quantities when they run out the cost of the bait will come down, just in case you dont know how to do this, you can use the following equation.
Ingredient cost / ingredient amount(in grams) x amount per kg base mix
As I am just starting to make my own bait again (after relocating all my stuff to the shed after a few years break from stinking out the spare room) I have to get going on a minimum budget, so will be buying the ingredients all from CC Moores in quantities listed with the exception of Selenavite - that will at least get 11kgs of finished bait from the initial outlay, which is £118.24.
Each ingredient for me will then be topped up with 1 scale up of the quantity, i.e 5kgs will be 25kgs, 1kg will be 5kgs etc..
This will bring down the cost massively, for example just on LT94 in a 25kg sack will reduce the cost from 95p per kg to 65p , I have not worked it out yet, but no doubt you can bring it down to under £2.50 per kg of finished bait
Hope that helps people that have not started to make boilies before on how to calculate the costs
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In reply to Post #347
I have used megablend sweet in this mix without flavour but I did use a drop of toasted Sesame oil which worked well
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In reply to Post #348
Thanks very much, and for the tip 
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In reply to Post #347
Yeah the megablends work fine. I use the red, one thing i will say is that because its quite course i would advise grinding it and the super gold down in a blender as it can cause the bait to break up to easily.
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Would any of the Meggablends be ok in BM1? CCMoores have the normal, red and sweet. I was thinking of going along the lines of a mild plum & scopex flavour and thought that the sweet Meggablend might compliment it well?
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In reply to Post #345
the only downside of the smurf's recipe is that if you don't use any oil, it's very sticky when you roll it, you need to let it dry a little during 15 to 30 min. before rolling it .
You're not wrong 
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In reply to Post #344
maize gluten meal is a very dense ingrediant and at 15% it make the bait a good way to sink at the bottom
this recipe won't float and will be eaten by fish 
also 17% of soluble ingrediant is not high ! i have also used 20% milk replacer with 10% pre-digested fishmeal and if you balance the recipe, it's not too sticky at the rolling stage and stay on hair for long enough .
the only downside of the smurf's recipe is that if you don't use any oil, it's very sticky when you roll it, you need to let it dry a little during 15 to 30 min. before rolling it .
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In reply to Post #343
The well respected bait maker I'm referring to make some of the best baits available at the moment and always received rave reviews on this very forum for producing quality baits and providing outstanding service.
I was surprised as you at their comments.
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In reply to Post #339
spoke to a very well respected custom bait roller recently about BM 1. They seemed to think that the solubles were too high and that the bait would float. I mentioned my dismay at their findings and also that the recipe was a long standing one from another well respected (no names were mentioned) bait maker. They didn't reply to that bit but did suggest something lower in solubles.
Thoughts?
that well respected bait maker aint got a clue then, cos 8.5% milk and 8.5% pre digested wont float anything
ive used 15% milks and 10% pre dig along with shrimp and krill and it sank ok.
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In reply to Post #341
Oh yes, don't get me wrong, I have every faith in this recipe and it's designer. But it's just interesting how opinions differ.
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