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   Old Thread  #363 26 Jun 2013 at 8.25am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes you can take the Poultry protein out and either adjust the other ingredients or like you say a 50/50 mix of fishmeal and bird food could work.

I never carried on with the development of the BM2, it was always an experiment to move away from fishmeal for commercial reasons....but the bait I make now I guess you could call the BM5 (3 and 4 soon got replaced in my bait own recipe book!) but only me and a couple of mates use it and it works very well

Having said that my BM5 is not that different to BM1....just tweaked here and there plus two other key ingredients I wanted to try
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   Old Thread  #362 25 Jun 2013 at 10.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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i too dont like using the poulty meal, ive used it in the past, but when it comes down to it I just like fishy baits not meaty baits o its a confidence thing with me.

I don't want to turn up on this thread and turn it into a bait company war, however just to add in response to AA baits I may look there but CCMoores have a loyalty scheme too even with the first order over 100 it goes to 5% off and goes up the more you spend plus freebies thrown in here and there so I personally may be swayed to look elsewhere but if it aint broke and all that
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   Old Thread  #361 25 Jun 2013 at 10.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ill have a good trawl through that website later. Thanks. With regards BM2 could the poulty protein be swapped for something esle? As to be honest ive used it before and hate the stuff. Maybe split the 220g 50/50 between another fish meal and a birdfood?

Also while your here why do you think everyone is all about the BM1? Also any idea if there will be a trilogy or quadrilogy to the BM saga?
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   Old Thread  #360 25 Jun 2013 at 9.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I used to get both from charnwood milling. My local farm feed shop used to order bags from them as it worked out cheaper than buying direct
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   Old Thread  #359 25 Jun 2013 at 9.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Has any one got any links to a supply of micronized crushed hemp and soya meal for BM2 or is everyone on BM1?

Or any alternatives to the above?
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   Old Thread  #358 25 Jun 2013 at 7.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Also if you bought the products from AA baits you would probably save around a further 10-15
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   Old Thread  #357 25 Jun 2013 at 1.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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nice one cheers Peter.
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   Old Thread  #356 25 Jun 2013 at 1.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I used to get 1.3-1.4x the basemix weight of mixes like BM1
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   Old Thread  #355 25 Jun 2013 at 11.10am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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i worked it out at 1ml of liquid is 1 gram is that not correct then?

the weight of water is 1ml per gram....

and no i didnt take air drying into consideration suppose to get the exact cost I should weigh 1 mix after they have dried to my liking ....
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   Old Thread  #354 25 Jun 2013 at 10.10am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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you will be lucky to get 1.5kg of boilies from 1kg of base mix. The liquid weight in normally approx 0.2kg to 0.35kg depending on liquids used.

Depending on air dry time (shelf life vs freezer) i multi ply by 1.2 or 1.25 this should also cover you for a little wastage and spillage
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   Old Thread  #353 25 Jun 2013 at 1.10am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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ive just noticed the copy/paste in my table..... I used Vitamelo
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   Old Thread  #352 25 Jun 2013 at 1.07am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I have put my mix into a table and carried out some basic calculations for anyone that is interested in a rough cost of the BM1 + a basic additives.

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Price per kg mix including eggs & liquids = 5.51
5.51/ 1.5 (finished bait) 3.67

If you replace the ingredients in larger quantities when they run out the cost of the bait will come down, just in case you dont know how to do this, you can use the following equation.

Ingredient cost / ingredient amount(in grams) x amount per kg base mix

As I am just starting to make my own bait again (after relocating all my stuff to the shed after a few years break from stinking out the spare room) I have to get going on a minimum budget, so will be buying the ingredients all from CC Moores in quantities listed with the exception of Selenavite - that will at least get 11kgs of finished bait from the initial outlay, which is 118.24.

Each ingredient for me will then be topped up with 1 scale up of the quantity, i.e 5kgs will be 25kgs, 1kg will be 5kgs etc..

This will bring down the cost massively, for example just on LT94 in a 25kg sack will reduce the cost from 95p per kg to 65p , I have not worked it out yet, but no doubt you can bring it down to under 2.50 per kg of finished bait

Hope that helps people that have not started to make boilies before on how to calculate the costs
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   Old Thread  #350 12 May 2013 at 10.15am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I have used megablend sweet in this mix without flavour but I did use a drop of toasted Sesame oil which worked well
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   Old Thread  #349 12 May 2013 at 0.01am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thanks very much, and for the tip
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   Old Thread  #348 11 May 2013 at 11.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yeah the megablends work fine. I use the red, one thing i will say is that because its quite course i would advise grinding it and the super gold down in a blender as it can cause the bait to break up to easily.
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