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   Old Thread  #77  1 Nov 2011 at 4.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Don't know if Pete still comes on here. If he does I hope he does not mind me posting this for the previous poster:

OK after so many requests here are a couple of simple base mixes to base your own baits around. There is nothing clever here just simple balanced nutrition and if you take any of these as a base and then add your chosen attractors you won’t be going far wrong.

BM1 (basic HNV mix)
30% LT94 fishmeal
15% Maize Protein Meal 60% (supergold 60)
13% Egg based bird food like CeDe
10% Semolina
10% Soya flour (heat treated)
8.5% pre-digested fishmeal
8.5% Calf or lambs milk powder such as Vitamelo
5% Equivite

Depending on the exact brand of milk powder and bird food you use this will give you a bait with over 50% crude protein and about 10% oil content. Although they sound a little high it will come down if you add a few attractors to it yourself. If you really want to know the FLAA is Phenylaline, the 2nd is Methionine and the 3rd is Threonine……but all are plenty high enough to allow the carp maximum utilisation of the protein in the bait.

I have deliberately left the solubles a little on the low side so that you can add your own soluble attractors such as Betaine, MSG, liver powder etc without the bait falling to pieces in the water after 10 minutes!

Now another mix I have played with and had some promising result on before I stopped bait development was slightly different. Lower fish meal due to increased costs and slightly higher energy was the initial goal.

BM2
22% Poultry protein meal
20% LT94
10% Maize Protien Meal 60% (supergold 60)
10% pre-digested fishmeal
10% Calf or lambs milk powder such as Vitamelo
7% Micronized Soya meal
6% Semolina
2.5% Micronised crushed hemp
2.5% Equivite

Again the crude protein level is above 50% but the lipids levels are higher. The 1st, 2nd and 3rd LAA are the same as the above mix although the balance is not quite as good. As with BM1 you can add your attractors to this. If you find it too soft (I like it that way and the attractors can just pour out) then try adding 2 or 3% egg albumin.

For a simple bait take any of these and add 20ml per Kg of good quality oil such as Cod liver or Salmon, a few ml of flavour if you want some and 8-10 eggs per Kg of base mix.


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   Old Thread  #563 17 Sept 2021 at 9.50am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Candy sweet is a thaumatin based sweetner. Red Karpi was a flavour originally sold by Duncan Kay.
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   Old Thread  #562 16 Sept 2021 at 7.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Smurf, what are candy sweet and karpi ? Thank you !
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   Old Thread  #561 16 Jun 2021 at 3.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I bought some Lamlac instead of Vitamelo. Would this be any good or would I have been better off with Vitamelo ?
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   Old Thread  #560 9 May 2021 at 1.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Brilliant cheees bud have ordered the ingredients only one I struggled to find in small quantities was the equivite
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   Old Thread  #559 9 May 2021 at 12.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Do the same pal do a 1 egg mix. Get that right and move up. 8-9egg for a kg of powder roughly then you get an idea of how much basemix will be needed to make 3kg and so on.

One mix I make takes 1100ml of eggs and liquids per 2kg of basemix , makes 3.2kg of bait every time.
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   Old Thread  #558 9 May 2021 at 9.54am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Trial and error then ok mate thanks for the advice have only really done hookbait sized mixes for pop ups etc so rolling larger quantities is still new to me
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   Old Thread  #557 9 May 2021 at 9.44am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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All eggs sizes are different pal. Easier to make a 25egg mix for example with the liaisons and oils and add the powders to it.
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   Old Thread  #556 8 May 2021 at 10.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And has anyone worked out how many eggs for 3kg of that base mix??
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   Old Thread  #555 8 May 2021 at 6.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ok sweet thanks guys
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   Old Thread  #554 8 May 2021 at 6.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yep - all depends on the amount of liquid (egg size, hydros etc) that you use.
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   Old Thread  #553 8 May 2021 at 5.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So 1kg of base mix would give 1.4-1.6kg of finished bait??
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   Old Thread  #552 8 May 2021 at 5.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Forgive my appalling maths what does that work out to for say 10kg lol assuming I’m using min recommended levels
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   Old Thread  #551 8 May 2021 at 5.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You will get 1.4 to 1.5 times the basemix
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   Old Thread  #550 8 May 2021 at 5.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I hope someone can help me going to use the bm1 mix from post 77 and I wondered if anyone could tell me a rough estimation of how many kg of finished boilies say 10,20,30,40kg of dry mix will make obv I know there are variables such as liquids and eggs but just a rough estimation would be great
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