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 #77  1 Nov 2011 at 4.44pm | |  1 |   |
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Don't know if Pete still comes on here. If he does I hope he does not mind me posting this for the previous poster:
OK after so many requests here are a couple of simple base mixes to base your own baits around. There is nothing clever here just simple balanced nutrition and if you take any of these as a base and then add your chosen attractors you won’t be going far wrong.
BM1 (basic HNV mix)
30% LT94 fishmeal
15% Maize Protein Meal 60% (supergold 60)
13% Egg based bird food like CeDe
10% Semolina
10% Soya flour (heat treated)
8.5% pre-digested fishmeal
8.5% Calf or lambs milk powder such as Vitamelo
5% Equivite
Depending on the exact brand of milk powder and bird food you use this will give you a bait with over 50% crude protein and about 10% oil content. Although they sound a little high it will come down if you add a few attractors to it yourself. If you really want to know the FLAA is Phenylaline, the 2nd is Methionine and the 3rd is Threonine……but all are plenty high enough to allow the carp maximum utilisation of the protein in the bait.
I have deliberately left the solubles a little on the low side so that you can add your own soluble attractors such as Betaine, MSG, liver powder etc without the bait falling to pieces in the water after 10 minutes!
Now another mix I have played with and had some promising result on before I stopped bait development was slightly different. Lower fish meal due to increased costs and slightly higher energy was the initial goal.
BM2
22% Poultry protein meal
20% LT94
10% Maize Protien Meal 60% (supergold 60)
10% pre-digested fishmeal
10% Calf or lambs milk powder such as Vitamelo
7% Micronized Soya meal
6% Semolina
2.5% Micronised crushed hemp
2.5% Equivite
Again the crude protein level is above 50% but the lipids levels are higher. The 1st, 2nd and 3rd LAA are the same as the above mix although the balance is not quite as good. As with BM1 you can add your attractors to this. If you find it too soft (I like it that way and the attractors can just pour out) then try adding 2 or 3% egg albumin.
For a simple bait take any of these and add 20ml per Kg of good quality oil such as Cod liver or Salmon, a few ml of flavour if you want some and 8-10 eggs per Kg of base mix.
Two of the best recipes you will ever encounter...Nothing more needs saying 
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#573 4 May 2022 at 2.34pm | | 1 | |
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In reply to Post #570
I wouldn't bother with krill essence (not needed) or robin red (very overrated)
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#572 2 May 2022 at 8.40pm | |  | |
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In reply to Post #571
Only 1 egg
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#571 1 May 2022 at 11.28pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #570
That's a lot of liquids, are you not using eggs?
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#570 1 May 2022 at 11.11pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #569
Hello guys thats is my mix but i think need more proteins what i need change or add
Standar fish meal 300gr
Clo 100gr
Fish Pelets milled 300 gr
Blood plasma 50 gr
Chill powder 40gr
Cornmeal 100gr
Soya 100gr
Black pepper 10 gr
Liquids
CSL 230ml
Krill liquid 80 ml
Robin red liquid 40ml
Belechan liquid 50ml
Krill essence 0.4ml
What i need to add or change ?
Thanks
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#569 16 Feb 2022 at 7.07pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #568
It is mate, thank you for your input and a base to work with. I feel I'm getting a lot better understanding now as the topic has me researching this that and anything related to better get a feel for the science of it. Not been able to put my mixing bowl down for the last few months. I've got carp in a very large tank, it's fascinating watching them feed on different recipes. Sometimes they hang above it as if taking in the taste, then another few tweaks and they're right down on it 
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#568 14 Feb 2022 at 8.49am | | 1 | |
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In reply to Post #567
Its a great feeling when your own bait works well. Sorry I didn't reply you your other message, I seemed to miss it.
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#567 13 Feb 2022 at 11.16pm | | 1 | |
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I've successfully incorporated blue cheese powder into this bm1 mix with a few other bits, swapped over and had 2 x 30's this weekend out of a tricky 64 acre pit forst time ising it .
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#566 7 Jan 2022 at 5.26pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #563
Could you tell me mate please, I've brought the ingredients to make this BM1 mix for this forthcoming season, how would you go about adding blue cheese powder into this mix, id like to put it in at a reasonable amount, would you just add it into the completed basemix at say 100g onto of your completed bm1 mix making the overall basemix 1100g? I've got some yeasts to chuck in on top and a spice powder, would they be o.k to chuck in in small amounts on top of the 1100g aswell?
Thanks in advance?
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#565 20 Sept 2021 at 12.04pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #564
A combination strawberry flavour with cinnamon EO works ? Need for my winter mix. Ty.
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#564 20 Sept 2021 at 12.03pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #563
Thank you !
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#563 17 Sept 2021 at 9.50am | | | |
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In reply to Post #562
Candy sweet is a thaumatin based sweetner. Red Karpi was a flavour originally sold by Duncan Kay.
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#562 16 Sept 2021 at 7.39pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #458
Hi Smurf, what are candy sweet and karpi ? Thank you !
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#561 16 Jun 2021 at 3.58pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #77
I bought some Lamlac instead of Vitamelo. Would this be any good or would I have been better off with Vitamelo ?
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#560 9 May 2021 at 1.09pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #559
Brilliant cheees bud have ordered the ingredients only one I struggled to find in small quantities was the equivite
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